Welcome to The Good Pod,

where today we'll be talking about Elspeth

Season Three, Episode Twenty.

That's all.

I am one of your hosts, Jason Reed.

And with me, as always,

the wonderful Lounge Lizard,

my companion with all these shows,

my partner in crime.

Marissa Garza.

Marissa, say hello to the people.

I have no words.

I have no words.

I'm speechless.

I was not expecting that at all.

Yeah, I'm good.

I'm great.

Fantastic.

I had to pay homage to the,

you know,

basically this was the musical episode of

Elsbeth.

It was so great.

If you are not watching on YouTube,

you missed out.

The man picked up his microphone.

I serenaded.

I made it a whole thing.

It was a whole thing.

I'm good, Jason.

You good?

I'm good.

I'm good.

I'm feeling musical.

There's a better word for that.

Feeling something.

I don't know.

I just thought it'd be a good way

to open.

You know,

this is the musical episode of Elspeth.

We had to give it its due.

Yeah, did you know, you're so good,

you could be on Broadway.

He could be on Broadway!

Like, oh, okay.

We get it.

He could be.

He could have been.

He could be honored by.

He could be nominated by.

Is he on Broadway?

He could be on a show called,

I don't know, like,

what if he was on Ragtime?

That would be something, wouldn't it?

Yeah, I wish I had some time.

I wish I had some rags to really

be able to talk about how this man

could be on Broadway.

yes okay here we are the season finale

of season three I think honestly watching

this and thinking about it I was like

I wonder if they maybe were thinking this

could be the series finale because it was

mighty close and the way that they

packaged all of it and like had so

many callbacks and also like very

I don't know,

series ending type sentences.

Like, I love it when Kaya pops around.

Like, random stuff.

You know?

It could have been.

It could have been.

If it had ended this episode,

I think we could have,

we had some closure.

Huh?

The title.

Yeah, the title.

That's all.

Like, okay.

So it really makes you think, like,

when they were filming this,

did they know they were getting a season

four?

Because as we know now,

we know the beginning of season four now.

It's been announced,

so we'll see if they're going back to

season four.

But it just makes you wonder, OK,

because shows do this all the time.

We're on the bubble.

We're not sure if we're coming back.

So let's write this and film this as

if this was the end.

You are OK that you know that your

character's got closure.

Teddy's getting married.

Kya is thriving in her job.

Wagner still loves his wife and loves to

tell everybody.

elsmeth is is coping with change um yeah

uh alec bloom is meeting some mysterious

brunette that was close it really like

yeah they moved a lot of things towards

a closure point exactly so but but but

but we do know season four is coming

so we we will see what's happening we'll

see hopefully we will see teddy and roy

get married uh we're on broadway

Yeah,

we didn't actually see them get engaged,

which was weird.

We just kind of are to assume that

Teddy popped the question, which was,

we'll talk about that.

But maybe we'll see their wedding.

Maybe Elizabeth will be trying to solve a

murder while the wedding's happening.

And Teddy will be his whiny,

annoying self, like, Mom,

why are you working while I'm supposed to

be getting married?

I should be more like Dad.

Yeah, exactly.

Interestingly enough,

we were talking a little bit before in

the pre-show and Carrie Preston had done

this interview with Hollywood Reporter.

And she was bringing up the fact that

maybe we'll meet some more of Elle's best

family in season four.

I was like,

you know what would be perfect for that?

From Peoria?

Yeah.

from peoria the wedding maybe you know

teddy's wedding when people come in from

peoria to attend teddy's wedding in new

york maybe we meet elspeth elsa's mom

maybe we'll meet the ex-husband finally

we'll finally get to see who teddy's dad

is but that's all to come in season

four hopefully for now we're going to

focus on this episode the season finale of

season three

yeah i would just say about that i

think they kind of closed everything that

season four will be able to be a

little bit of a clean slate in that

way so as we as we talk about

this with all that that closure and stuff

yeah i mean really the only place to

go is to meet more family really is

to go to go more things so let's

talk about how they how they closed up

shop here in season three

Let's talk about it.

Let's start with the murder of us.

We always do.

We are at some ritzy,

fancy hotel that we come to learn is

named Hotel Riley.

We see some guy coming in.

He has some sort of a British accent.

He comes to the butler.

Oh, I didn't get the butler guy's name.

Do we ever get the butler guy's name?

I don't think so.

Yeah.

Yes.

Jeeves, I'm assuming.

Jeeves.

Let's call him Jeeves.

He comes to Jeeves.

Jeeves says, oh, my grace,

you're looking tired.

He's like, oh, I'm absolutely knackered.

So this guy's here and he asks Jeeves,

has she started?

We don't know who has started.

But before we get to that, we see,

oh, I'm going to have our new associate,

Deandra,

get you set up in

the lounge.

It's like, okay, D'Andra.

They shoot to D'Andra and oh my God,

who is it?

It's Kaya.

Kaya's here.

Kaya is apparently undercover in the hotel

doing something.

So we're like, okay,

what's this going to be all about?

Yeah, it was great to see Kaya.

I thought that it was a really clever

way to bring her back in.

Because she showed up two episodes ago and

we had the reunion,

but we didn't really get to know where

she was.

She was like, I don't know.

Am I going to get back into it?

This took a lot out of me.

You know, like all of this stuff.

So it was cool to see her on

a case again.

yeah she's on her next job which you

know thankfully seems to be a lot less

dangerous than her last undercover

assignment which was like you know busting

corruption at the docks now she's busting

corruption at a fancy hotel i don't think

it's just i don't think it's as dangerous

as really

keep her eyes out for that stevia and

the croissant yeah exactly um so we find

out that the person that the this guy

that we learned who we find out is

gonna is duke sebastian the guy that duke

is here to see and he's in the

lounge with is ruby lane she's performing

she's singing she's interacting with the

audience she's talking to her piano player

jolly they got this whole routine set up

it's really great we find out that ruby

lane is an award-winning cabaret performer

um

And she might be good on Broadway.

Possibly, possibly.

There's someone else in the audience

beside the Duke who's also very excited to

see her.

We're like, OK,

who's this guy going to be?

He looks familiar.

I was so great to see that.

Well, first of all, I was like listening,

watching,

and then I heard his voice and I

was like, Michael Urie, is that you?

I didn't know that he had such a

distinctive voice.

Ugly Buddy was like,

it was also like one of the shows

that I would always have on in the

background.

So like, yeah.

his voice is something that i could and

then shrinking of course uh listen be on

the lookout for the ugly pod once uh

once once the good pod has done its

thing um the ugly pod on its way

um so yeah we see michael uri uh

as marissa said uh known from ugly betty

shrinking

Neither of which I've ever seen.

So I was like, no, I was like,

I've seen this guy on other things before.

I know it.

Apparently he's been on the good,

the good wife.

I guess we haven't seen him yet.

We have not been introduced to him yet.

So we'll get to that at some point

in our good wife coverage.

So yeah, he's here.

Okay.

We're like, okay, what's he doing here?

Why is he here?

Why we have, is he getting murdered?

I assume the Duke was going to get

murdered.

Does this guy get murdered?

Oh, we have, I've never had,

we've never had multi-victim,

a multi-victim episode.

That'd be interesting.

No,

but we have had multi-celebrity sightings.

Yeah.

Yeah.

True.

We've got many celebrities in this one.

Yeah.

she uh part of her bit you know

during the cabaret show is presenting her

showing everyone her one award who you

know jolly the piano player reminds right

she says she's award-winning but she only

won one award oh oh jolly you're so

silly as she presents the award look at

my award everyone uh she shows her by

the award um did you recognize jolly as

well

i i recognized him i didn't know who

i didn't know his name i didn't know

who he was yeah nathan nathan lee graham

i have seen him around uh i think

is his most recent credit on tv is

uh that show mid-century modern which was

like a show about uh i think like

four it's like golden girls yes exactly

yeah exactly

um but he is also a well-known broadway

performer as well um this was this was

jam-packed with broadway performers in

this episode um so yeah that's jolly the

the piano player you know ruby lay is

going on and on and on she's like

oh you know cabaret it's dying art i

might just be the last cabaret performer

you will ever see um and michael michael

yuri uh monty is his name well we'll

find out later monty is talking to the

duke and i think it kind of distracts

ruby lane which is interesting because

ruby lane is played by patty lapone uh

broadway diva uh i think is is how

i'll like talk about her because she's

well yeah she's well known to get into

beefs with other actresses she's well

known to interrupt a performance to yell

at the audience because they are talking

in the audience like or using their cell

phone

Yep, yep.

She is well known to be a very

prickly person.

Well,

and she has flat out denied to perform

for a certain orange man.

So I mean, you know,

she's not all bad.

That's for sure.

Yeah, she's doing that.

And you know,

I think I think it was a good

like little wink to the audience to be

like, Oh,

she's getting distracted by someone

talking to the audience.

So she's kind of like she kind of

loses her place when when Monty has talked

to the Duke.

So she has to kind of rebound and

recover from that.

She's like, Okay,

Oh, is Ruby okay?

We don't know.

Later after the performance,

Ruby and Jolly, they're talking.

They're kind of razzing each other as you

feel like they probably have done for

years and decades.

Ruby talks about the fact she's under so

much pressure, right?

She has to do so much.

But tonight, she's going to relax.

And in between the two shows of the

night,

she's going to go back to her hotel

room and she's going to watch Father Cry

because she has a guest star role.

on Father Crime tonight.

She's on the show.

She's going to go run to her hotel

room and watch the show that she's in

that night.

So we see her in her room.

She's getting room service.

Now, it's important to note, Hotel Riley,

what you're going to find out is there's

a lot of long-term residents,

and Ruby is one of those long-term

residents.

She's in her hotel room.

She's getting room service.

And she decides, oh, no.

Oops, I don't have any cash.

Sorry, room service guy.

No tip for you tonight.

She's like,

it seems like that room service guy is

probably used to that from Ruby.

Doesn't say Ruby's a huge tipper as we'll

come to learn.

But yeah, she's watching father crime,

but you know, she's not, she's,

she's not actually doing that.

She decides to, she,

she starts to settle in and then she

leaves,

she leaves her hotel room and she goes

to visit another hotel room where the Duke

that we saw earlier,

this is his hotel room.

So she comes to visit the Duke and

he tells her, Hey, listen,

I know why you're here.

And whatever you're here to say,

whatever you're trying to convince me,

it's not going to work.

I made up my mind.

I really have to protect my royal

investments, and I've made my decision.

And you got to be honest,

this place is due for a change.

So us as an audience is like, okay,

what is happening here?

What are they talking about?

Yeah.

In this episode specifically,

did come to light in the investigation

later yes like it wasn't necessarily like

the motive here wasn't clear in the murder

section yeah so i mean what we can

surmise so far is that the duke is

making some decision that ruby does not

agree with ruby is trying to get him

to see uh to see reason she says

this this deal smells this isn't right and

a scuffle starts ensuing a lamp is knocked

over lamp

lamps at lambs akimbo and as the duke

is going to go fix the lamp uh

ruby decides to take her award out of

her bag that she had showed her audience

earlier and she decides to knock this man

over the head with this award and kill

him

So in the aftermath of this,

Rui is trying to figure out, okay,

how do I make this look like what

this was or what this wasn't?

What can I do?

So she decides she's going to make this

look like a slip and fall in the

shower.

So she's trying to do what she can

to rip the towel bar off of the

wall to make it look like he would

try to grab the towel bar and it

broke off and he fell.

So she's trying to use everything she can.

She can't get the towel bar off the

wall herself.

She's trying to get a shoehorn to propel.

pry the towel bar off of the wall.

That's not working.

So she has to figure something else out.

We don't really see what that something

is.

We'll find that out later.

But then we flash to Ruby's second

performance of the night.

And at the point where she goes to

show everybody her award,

she goes to get the award.

She's like, oh.

Actually, no.

She's like, oops,

I don't have the award with me.

You guys can't see it tonight.

Oh, well.

That's Jolly off.

Jolly's like, hmm, that's weird.

Yeah, yeah.

He's a little confused.

And also, like, Michael Urie, a.k.a.

Monty,

is also in the audience kind of taking

note of the change at the same time.

So this establishes that there's two

people that notice this change.

And, you know, Patty, a.k.a.

Ruby,

is not as undercover as she thinks she

is at this moment.

Yes.

And so that was the murder.

To update you, the Duke is dead.

So we are in the investigation phase.

Okay.

Ellsworth is at the hotel, walking around,

looking around.

And who was there?

Wagner.

Wagner's here to get his hands dirty.

He is here to help investigate.

You know,

he says ever since he got turned down

for the commissioner job, he just, he's,

he's wanting to get out there and wanted

to get his mind off it and do

some actual investigation.

It was an actual investigative work.

It could not be that the show could

be ending and maybe we needed to get

Wendell Pierce on the screen a little bit

more.

Maybe, I don't know.

Maybe we just wanted one last ride for

really to get everybody involved that we

really care about, that we really love.

Maybe that was it.

It could be.

Wagner talked about the fact that he loves

this hotel.

He loves Hotel Riley.

This is where he proposed to Claudia.

Which...

I keep begging to see again.

Bring me back Gloria Rubin.

Where is she?

Because even in this whole episode,

this man talks about her eight hundred

gazillion times.

We don't even get a flashback.

We don't get a wave a week.

I understand that there is money involved

in getting an actor on a set to

make this happen.

But

i don't know this could be your last

show this could be your last show that's

that should have been important when we in

the in the future where we get teddy

and roy in the hotel at the end

maybe have wagner and gloria dancing or

something or a phone call could have even

been done so even if she couldn't be

on set there could be like uh like

hey like hey baby i'm just thinking about

you or something like because that's how

wagner talks like

I'm seeing young love and I'm reminded

remember that one time I can smell that

cork that's still on my still on my

dresser and made me think of you

Yeah, exactly.

So, yeah.

So Wagner's here to help Elsbeth

investigate.

They go to the scene and, you know,

we find out it's been staged.

Look like the guy slipped and fell in

the shower and cracked his head open.

That's that's the story that we're being

fed right now,

which makes you think makes you think of

like Patti LuPone,

like dragging this guy around like this.

I thought the same thing.

Cause there was a shot where she was

like approaching the bathroom and there's

like a hallway in the bathroom and I,

she's dragging like the award or something

to help her with the towel bar or

whatever.

And I literally thought like she was,

we were gonna see her tracking.

Yeah.

Like taking him out of his clothes.

Like

like ruby is is seen to be a

little infirmed in this episode like how

is this woman gonna drag this grown-ass

man into the shower to make it look

like he slipped and fell on the tile

and then i was like who helped her

could somebody have helped her

who knows i mean as far as we

know she did this by herself right exactly

so we we're in the hotel room they're

talking to jeeves jesus walking around

showing them around and jeeves goes to fix

a lampshade because the lampshade they

have a certain way in the hotel that

they they face lampshade a certain way

this gets elspeth's like mind goes like oh

okay interesting that's how it's supposed

to be why isn't it like that we

don't ever revisit that

Yeah, we don't ever come back to that,

but I guess that was something that piqued

Elizabeth's interest.

Elizabeth is doing what she does.

She's going around the hotel room,

looking around.

Wagner's over here just fanboying about

being in the hotel.

He's like, oh my gosh,

I love this place.

This is great.

We find out that this hotel room is

the Duke's long-term hotel room.

This is a place where he comes and

stays when he's in town.

What a life.

Yeah,

what a life where you can just buy

a hotel room and just have it for

whenever.

I think when I was a kid,

I always would read the stories about rich

kids in New York and how they lived

in really fancy buildings.

And this is part of that dream.

I mean, you know,

Richie Rich starring Macaulay Culkin was

back in the day.

So, you know,

Elizabeth is doing her Elizabeth thing,

walking around the hotel room,

seeing clues everywhere.

She's like, oh,

why are some pajamas over here folded,

but this one pajama is hung up,

and it looks like there's some blood on

this pajama set.

Wagner's like, oh,

it's probably from him shaving.

Okay, Wagner,

you're stepping in for the detectives that

are doubting Elizabeth's first instincts.

Okay, fine, whatever.

Elizabeth finds the shoehorn that

Ruby had used to try and pry the

towel off.

She's like, oh,

this shoehorn's bent out of shape.

That's weird, right?

So everything is screaming to Elizabeth

that this is not a slip and fall

the way it is supposed to have been.

Roger is here.

Roger shows up.

Roger's like, hey, the Jeeves is like,

Roger's the guy that usually draws the

Duke's bath for him in the morning because

the Duke loves to take a bath in

the morning.

Again, to have the life,

to have the time to take a bath

in the morning.

Which means he wouldn't be in the bathroom

at night because he's in the bathroom in

the morning.

I was just like, hmm, interesting.

Why is he showering at night if he's

bathing in the morning?

I kind of think there are a lot

of people out there that shower at night

and in the morning.

I think probably there is,

but I was like, okay, I feel you,

but a little flimsy to me, but okay,

cool.

Ellsworth says, okay, well, the towel bar

you know, was ripped off the wall.

Is that normal around here?

Like, is this place so, like, decrepit?

And Jeeves says, actually, no.

Like,

this bathroom was recently remodeled,

so that towel bar should not have come

off it easily.

It's like, okay, all right.

And so Elizabeth says, okay,

so maybe the rod was torn off to

make it look like an accident.

Okay, hey, Els was on the right track.

You know,

classic consent decree lawyer work.

Yep, classic.

That's what all consent decree lawyers do.

So Jeeves is now,

we're still in the hotel.

Jeeves says, oh, hey,

I want you guys to meet one of

our newest associates, D'Andra Jordan,

a.k.a.

Kaia.

Elizabeth's like, oh my God.

Elizabeth, I was like, okay, Elizabeth,

calm down.

Don't blow her cover.

Elizabeth's like, oh,

you look so much like Denise Jackson,

the woman that I once knew.

I love how Kaya's response to this is

like, yes, but I am D'Andra Jordan.

Like, do not blow this.

Do not blow this.

I am a different DJ.

I'm not the same DJ you once knew.

So I was like, wow,

we're getting a case worked by Wagner,

Kaya, and Ellsworth together.

This was really like, again,

this almost was just like, you know,

this might be the last time you see

all these three together.

So we're going to make it count.

They see Ruby coming down on the elevator.

They tell her like, oh,

have you heard about Duke Sebastian?

And Ruby's like, huh, makes sense.

This place is really falling apart.

This was bound to happen.

I was just like, well,

that's weird because I didn't say anything

about any damage to the hotel being a

part of this.

So why would you just jump to that

conclusion?

Again,

the murderer just kind of telling

themselves they didn't need to.

While Ruby is talking to Ellsworth and the

gang,

we see her just kind of hoarding Stevia.

She's taking other baked goods,

throwing them in her tote bag and just

kind of like going about her way as

if this is what she usually does.

She just hoards stuff.

She takes stuff all the time for free.

That's in like the hotel lobby and stuff

like that.

So I was like, okay,

that's an interesting quirk of this

person.

Kaia then tells Wagner and Ellsworth,

you know, the funny thing as well,

there are a lot of items missing from

the Duke's mini bar.

And who do we know that would just

take things like that?

Maybe the woman we just saw taking a

bunch of stuff.

Yeah, it was very blatant.

Like, oh,

let's watch this person steal stuff,

and then let's... Jason,

I don't know if you play video games.

Do you play video games?

Some, yeah.

There's this game on the Nintendo Switch

that just came out called Tamodachi Life.

Oh, yeah.

I've heard about Tamodachi Life.

Yes.

Yeah.

I have started playing this game,

and all I can think of is designing

this me that constantly steals things.

Okay.

when i first when i first heard about

that game i thought it was tamagotchi life

and i'm like oh we're back doing

tamagotchis yeah yeah i know yeah my

sister was like look at this game and

i was like what do you mean tamagotchi

like oh tamadachi doshi tamadashi life uh

it is definitely uh a make your own

mess type of game you might like it

okay well

We'll see.

So later on,

Kaya takes Wagner and Ellsworth into the

business center,

which is the only place they can actually

talk because no one comes to the business

center in this whole thing.

This is the only place we can actually

talk for real.

I can be Kaya.

Have you ever seen anyone at a business

center?

That's true.

It was a good reference.

The business center is always empty.

Anytime I see a business center,

there's nobody in it.

So she tells Wagner and Ellsworth, hey,

I'm here because I'm investigating the

hotel for shady business dealings and tax

fraud.

She says, you know,

the fact that we have a new mayor

who is cracking down on business crime,

on white collar crime,

makes the current owners of the building

want to sell.

And in order for the current owners to

sell the hotel,

there needs to be a vote of all

the long-term residents to approve the

sale to any new owner.

This is very Only Murders in the Building,

if you watch that show as well.

Yeah, so she says,

Kai's mission is to figure out which of

the newer guests that have been around the

hotel recently is the person that's trying

to buy the hotel.

Just like, I don't, like,

is that really a mission that an

undercover officer would be set on?

But

we, we move, we move on.

I'm not going to,

I'm not going to dig too deep into

that.

Uh, cause it's fun to have Kai here.

I'm not going to question it.

I'm not going to push her away.

Not going to dig too hard into it.

Um,

but she's here to figure out who is

the person that wants to buy the hotel.

She says it could be so many people.

We have a Bob guy staying here.

We have a Russian oligarch.

We have a shake.

That's that's staying here.

It could be any of those guys.

Who could it be?

Uh, you find out Ruby lane is,

is one of the Lawrenceville residents that

has a vote.

Um,

know could it kaya doubts it elsa says

could it be ruby lane that wanted to

to get this vote out of here that

could she have killed the duke kai's like

i don't know i don't i don't that

doesn't sound like a ruby lane thing to

do i'm like oh kai

Why you got to make Kaya also doubt

Ellsworth?

Kaya should be like, you know what?

That's something.

We should look into that.

But Kaya's doubting.

Oh, no, I don't know.

Wagner says,

I'm going to go interview some of these

guests and also kind of maybe partake in

the cafe a little bit.

I don't know.

Maybe just as I'm interviewing,

I might as well just sample some of

the wares.

It's like, you know,

you got to meet them where they're at.

yeah exactly um so elsbeth goes to like

because she asked kaya where's where

where's ruby's apartment where is she

where does she stay at and as she's

like getting ready to go up to ruby's

apartment to stake it out she meets this

guy that we met earlier in the episode

that was really invested in ruby lane's

performance and this is where we meet the

Officially, Monty,

he is an art connoisseur.

He's a philanthropist.

This all-around rich guy, basically.

He's talking about the hotel.

He has so much reverence for it.

He talks about all the art in the

hotel.

He's like,

it's not just the stuff in the lobbies.

There's other great pieces in all these

other suites that are so meaningful.

he tells her about watching Ruby's shows

that night.

He talks about the fact that she had

a mess up in the first show,

but the second show was a lot better.

The award was missing.

Yeah, and he also mentioned her energy.

In the first show, she was just like...

uh but in the second show she was

on fire like she was she was really

alive and really there which would be well

if you were an investigator and not a

um consent decree lawyer yes monty make

sure to kind of hint at how rich

he is he's has he's taken a call

from a museum because he's donating twenty

million dollars to this museum i was like

okay we get it you're a rich guy

um so i like how he like introduced

himself he's like i forget his last name

but he's like i happen to be very

close with the so-and-so family hi i'm

monty so-and-so yeah exactly um elizabeth

runs into ruby as ruby's going to

rehearsal i was just like oh can i

can i watch you rehearse ruby's like hell

no and i was like you know you're

a cabaret performer huh like that's

interesting is cabaret kind of like glee

which i'm sure to uh both ruby and

patty lapone is quite an insult especially

especially since one of the people that uh

patty lapone beef with uh leah michelle

isn't that uh-huh yeah so that i'm sure

was a nice little uh rib to patty

lapone like isn't that funny we put in

glee we put glee in the script aren't

you annoyed by that it's like yeah i

hate freaking leah michelle they're no

reading ass

So Elizabeth is like, you know,

Elizabeth is annoying Ruby because she's

like, oh,

isn't isn't Glee just like isn't cabaret

like Glee?

And but she does make sure to tell

Ruby, hey, by the way,

I am someone that's here with the police

to investigate these Duke Sebastian of it

all.

This gets Ruby to be like, oh, oh,

you're a police investigating a murder

that I might have committed.

Yeah, why don't you come to rehearsal?

Come on,

you'll be my special rehearsal guest.

So we see Ruby rehearsing.

Her and Jolly, the piano player,

kind of razz back and forth as they

like to do in the performances.

He's still razzing her about forgetting

her lyrics the other night.

You know, Elizabeth, for her part,

is enjoying the performance.

Mm-hmm.

And Ruby's like, oh, OK,

you're enjoying what I'm doing.

Like, you really you kind of get it.

You get what I'm doing here.

She's I'm I as a reformer.

And so, you know, exposed up here.

It takes a lot for me to do

this.

It doesn't just take a beautiful voice to

be successful here.

Like, you know,

that's that's just that's how I have to

do it.

Fun note from that article that we were

both reading before this podcast.

Carrie Preston, she's like,

I don't know how they edited that,

but I was really crying.

Like Patti LuPone made me cry.

And I was like, I don't doubt that.

Like,

I think I would cry if I heard

Patti LuPone sing in my general vicinity.

Yeah, Ruby is talking to Eldridge.

She talks about the fact that, yeah,

you know,

usually I have dinner in the cafe between

shows.

And Jolly's like, oh, well,

you did the night the Duke died.

The night the Duke died,

you had dinner in your hotel room.

And Ruby's like, okay, thank you.

Thank you, Jolly.

Thanks, Jolly.

Yeah, for...

getting rid of my alibi basically um uh

you know she talks about the fact that

oh yeah i went up to my hotel

room to watch myself on father crime i

was like oh i love that show she

says they get the best guest stars because

that show films in new york wink wink

she's like oh gosh

The self-referencing this episode was,

it started driving me a little crazy by

like the fifth time they did it.

I was like, okay, we get it.

We get it.

Ruby feigns ignorance about the Duke's

death.

She's like, I have no idea.

I didn't know anything about the Duke's

death.

I do know that he was at my

show that night.

That's all I really know about that.

I didn't really know him that well.

Elizabeth starts talking about the fact

that she talks about her son, Teddy.

It's like, oh, Teddy,

he has a beautiful voice.

He could be on Broadway.

Wink, wink.

I was like, oh, man.

Within the span of like two minutes,

we self-referenced like twice already.

My God.

So, also, it's like, also,

it's kind of venting to Ruby about the

fact that Teddy is moving on with his

life.

You know,

there's so much happening with Teddy,

as we'll talk about later in the odds

and ends section.

Ruby, because, you know, Elizabeth,

you know,

talked about the fact she's scared of

Teddy moving away and moving on from her.

Ruby, aka Patti LuPone,

just starts kind of serenading Elsbeth

about people moving on.

What will I do when you are far

away?

There's a lot of singing.

Elsbeth, as Marissa said, Carrie Preston,

so moved doing this performance.

There's tears in her eyes.

You can tell it's really,

really getting to her.

That was a beautiful performance from

Patti LuPone.

She does this damn thing.

The thing is...

Patti LuPone cannot be anything other than

Patti LuPone, which I love.

I love for her.

At the same time, it's like,

this is Elsbeth.

You know what I mean?

Sometimes it's like when she did the

witchy show.

agatha all along yeah like i was like

what do you mean she's gonna be a

marvel and it really like it really i

think brings the rest of the show up

a notch because she's not going down like

she's not going down to she'll do silly

things but she's gonna be at patty lapone

level she also was a palm royale also

another stellar stellar performance also a

really really fun show

But I've been enjoying seeing her kind of

go into the shows that I didn't expect

her to be on,

but still be very Patti LuPone.

You know what's crazy?

I totally forgot that Patti LuPone was an

actor all along until you just said that.

And then it made me think like,

oh my gosh,

she was great in that show.

I loved her in that show.

That show just in general is a great

show.

But yeah,

I totally forgot she was in that until

you reminded me.

I was like, oh yeah,

she's in that show.

But watching this, I was like,

I'm not a really big Patti LuPone guy.

I don't really watch a lot of Patti

LuPone stuff.

And I was like, oh, yeah,

Agatha all along.

But it'll be like, silly, silly, silly.

And then I'll be like, Patti,

take it away.

It's like, boom.

Yeah.

Yeah,

because she had that performance on Agatha

all along.

There was that whole episode.

That was her really bringing it.

Yeah.

um so elspeth you know as patty sings

the song elspeth talks about the fact that

oh i know what that song is from

and ruby is annoyed because ruby thought

she was talking to like a total cabaret

rube and so ruby thinks that ella's trying

to pull a fast one she's like why

are you trying to make me think you

didn't know anything about anything i feel

like you're at why are you acting like

what was going on because you know ruby

knows that

She done did some stuff.

She's like, is Elizabeth on to me?

Is she trying to be like an undercover

person to me?

And so she kind of storms off.

Elizabeth talks to Jolly about,

is she kind of always like that?

And Jolly says, well, yeah,

she can get kind of ornery.

And Elizabeth's like, I mean,

is it the fact that she drinks a

lot?

And Jolly's like, oh,

she doesn't actually drink a lot.

That's what you see in her glass is

usually always, almost always water.

She just wants to make people think she's

drinking to make her look sophisticated.

It's like, okay, interesting quirk.

kaya alerts that's my move ruby oh if

you're like at a party like oh yeah

totally getting wasted with you guys oh

yeah i would love a water on the

rocks with a lime please

I just walk around with it.

Like, when I go to these, like,

Rob has podcast events, like,

I walk around with my Sprite.

I'm just like, hey, you guys are drinking?

Cool.

I'm just here with my Sprite.

But Kaya comes to get Elizabeth.

She says, Elizabeth, we have an issue.

Someone has infiltrated the Duke's room.

Elizabeth goes, is it the killer?

Return to the scene of the crime?

As we see Wagner and a bunch of

officers with guns drawn outside the room

trying to figure out who's in the room.

I was like,

on what grounds are you doing all of

this?

It was like six officers.

It was like a SWAT team, basically.

It was like everybody.

I was like, what is happening?

Yeah,

and who is in the room but Monty?

Monty's in the room.

They're like, all right, Monty,

what are you doing in the room?

and Wagner kind of bust Monty's like,

and you know, the funny thing is Monty,

I found out you don't even actually have

a room here.

You're not registered to be in a room

here.

So what are you doing here?

Kind of skulking around this hotel.

What's going on?

Monty says, well, I mean, yes,

I don't have a room technically registered

to me,

but I staying in a former boss's suite.

And I was just,

I just came to Duke's room to admire

the artwork.

I was like,

This was so crazy to me,

because I was like,

this doesn't make any sense.

First of all, I was like, OK,

are we going to find out who his

former boss is?

And is it someone that we have met?

What's happening?

Spoiler alert,

we don't really come back to that at

all, which I was just like,

what what is this even really the thing

is is like i think this monte storyline

is something that could go into season

four like this is this is something that

could go forward because there are still

some unanswered questions like there's

some inferences that we'll talk about as

we continue with the episode but i think

there are some things that kind of place

him in this world that we can find

out more later now i've said that about

many things on the show and they've never

picked it up of course however

However, it is a possibility, I think,

in my mind.

Yeah,

could Monty be a big bad in season

four?

Either a big badge or another Nadine.

An ally.

Yeah.

It's a question that needs answered.

So Wagner says, yeah,

you're kind of suspicious, Monty.

You're kind of on my suspect list now.

But while I have you here and you

know so much about this hotel,

let me ask you about this vote that's

happening.

What is happening with this vote?

Monty says, oh yeah,

I know all about the vote because I

am my former boss's proxy for the vote.

Which again, I'm like, first of all,

you are a...

super rich philanthropists.

Yet you have a,

you have a former boss, but you,

for some reason,

are your former boss's proxy in the vote.

I'm like, I'm so confused right now.

We'll,

we'll get a little more clear clarity

about this later, but it was like, okay.

But Monty knows all about the vote.

Monty says the vote is split down the

middle and the Duke was in town to

help break the tie because the Duke was

going to approve the sale because he

wants, uh, he, he wants a hotel sold.

Like,

so he was going to come here to

break the tie, get the hotel sold.

That's why he was here.

Um,

He says that this whole division of the

long-term residents that do want to sell

and don't want to sell is because of

the fact that new buyers,

when they come in,

are going to want to totally remodel the

hotel.

They're going to want to change everything

about the hotel.

And to finance that big change of the

remodel,

they're going to be calling all the tabs

of the long-term residents,

including rent, maintenance, bar tabs,

all the things that the current owners

have let people slide on.

They're going to call all those tabs,

and all those people are going to owe

all that money.

And so I was like, okay, interesting.

So maybe someone that did this wants to

make sure the sale doesn't go through

because they don't want to have to repay

all that money back they owe the hotel.

Ding, ding, ding.

Yep.

As I termed it,

Kai Wagbeth are talking about the case.

They kind of like have a meeting of

the minds, Kai Wagner and Elsbeth,

talking about the case.

Kai says, well,

I looked into Ruby's account and she is

definitely in arrears, errors, arrears,

arrears.

No clue.

That's such a fancy word.

I literally learned about this word like

not even that long ago.

I was like, oh,

that's an interesting way to talk about

debt.

Arrears.

It's such a weird word.

And the way it's used is so bizarre.

But so she's in arrears.

So that definitely could be a motive for

Ruby, you know, killing the Duke.

Like Kaya started to come around to the

Ruby theory as a writer.

the Jeeves says, oh, there you are,

D'Andra.

I need your help with something.

So he kind of beckons D'Andra away.

And as Kai leaves, Elsa's like, okay,

so is this enough for me to like,

for us to go like kind of question

Ruby, to talk to Ruby,

to kind of dig more into her?

Wagner says, yes, let's go talk to Ruby.

They get to Ruby's hotel room.

It's a pigsty.

It's a mess.

There are clothes everywhere.

She's not a tidy person.

Let's just say that.

So it's very,

lots of chaos happening in all places.

They're posting notes everywhere.

There's a lot of stuff going on in

Ruby's room.

So Ruby is trying to get the stink

off her.

She's trying to get the suspicion off her.

She says, oh, actually,

I was going to vote yes to the

sale.

I want to move somewhere where I'm not

just so recognizable,

so famous all the time.

I want to live more of a low-key

life.

It's like, oh, interesting.

Elizabeth goes, you know,

if you didn't want to be noticed all

the time,

maybe you shouldn't walk around in a mink

coat and sunglasses.

So maybe then people would recognize you.

It's like, Elizabeth,

you of all people of the of the

loud outfits, super loud tote bags.

I guess I was like,

I don't care about being recognized.

I'm talking about Ruby.

So Ruby gives them.

Ruby is like, oh,

trying to take their mind off.

Oh, you guys want some snacks?

I got some covered raisins here.

And Elizabeth says, huh?

Yogurt-covered raisins.

Those are the exact things that are

missing from the Duke's minibar.

That's weird, isn't it?

Ruby says, oh, no, no.

These are from the housekeeper's cart.

That's where I got these from.

I don't know what you're talking about,

but I stole these off the housekeeper's

cart.

Elizabeth again wonders why.

I love how she was like,

it's not that I didn't steal them.

I just didn't steal them from the dude.

She's like, well,

that's the least they could do.

They owe me for making this hotel what

it is.

We see the point of view that Ruby's

coming from.

Elizabeth again wonders why would you want

to sell this place you are you're like

one of the main attractions of this place

why would you want to leave this place

Ruby says oh you know this place is

kind of run down I need to change

the scenery Wagner outright asked her how

about you how about you being in so

much debt like what is that all about

uh you know how are you gonna how

are you gonna pay that debt if the

if the place is sold ruby says well

the the cell the selling of this place

will cover all that debt i'm not worried

about that that's that's the least of my

concerns like okay she's trying to really

distance herself from this crime ruby

again states her alibi she's i was in

my hotel room watching father crime she

talks about she played a nun uh that

was part of a content where they had

a murderous mother superior and i'm like

oh that sounds familiar

And Ellsworth says, you know,

so many shows,

so many shows tell stories about nuns.

Isn't that crazy that shows do that?

Wink, wink, like we did last season.

I also loved Ruby's response because she's

like,

hair and makeup is so easy because they

have to be in the habit.

They don't have to do hair.

So good.

Yeah, Ruby,

we also see Ruby has a ton of

note cards around to remind her of things,

or a lot of contacts on these cards.

Hey, here's the thing.

Some people need external systems to

really remind themselves of things.

There's nothing wrong with a post-it note

on a wall,

but I did enjoy that this entire wall

seemed to be upholstered,

and she was pinning them to the wall.

I just picture Marissa's camera turning

around,

and there's just like a wall of note

cards.

Yeah.

So Ellsworth, you know,

zeroes it on a one car.

It's just, oh, who's Vernon?

And we see that it's got a long

number attached to it.

And Ruby starts acting weird.

Grabs no car from Ellsworth.

Oh, that's one of my great nephews.

It's not important.

Don't worry about it.

Ellsworth says, oh, that's a long number.

It seems to be an international number.

Oh, that's that's interesting.

It was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

whatever.

Get out of my house.

Get on my place.

So later,

Elizabeth and Monty are chatting it up.

He's kind of showing her,

giving her a little bit of a tour

around the hotel,

talking about all the art.

It was kind of the inside scoop out

a particular mural.

He says this mural here.

is full of inside stories about the hotel

and the the artist updates the mural

regularly based on the goings-on in the

hotel so we hear about that stuff like

this like i love buildings that have

histories like this i love that there are

little you know insider points and stuff

so i love that they incorporated this into

this story of the hotel

It's like living art, right?

It's something that stays alive and is

always living.

Ruby is in it,

but it's just Ruby's feet.

Ruby's feet are outside the door.

Monty says, well,

that's because Ruby always says the only

way she's leaving out of this hotel is

feet first,

basically like carrying her up because

she's dead.

And Elsa says, huh, interesting,

because Ruby is telling a different story

lately here.

She's saying that she wants to leave.

She's saying she can't wait to get out

of here.

So that's a conflict of the stories that

we're hearing here.

Kaya, aka D'Andra,

once again grabs Elizabeth and says, okay,

I got into Ruby's account about how much

money she owes,

and let's just say it's a lot.

She owes a whole lot of money.

They don't give us a dollar amount.

They were like, is that a number?

Yeah.

Ellsworth and Kaya's eyes get huge about

how much money this is.

I don't know why they wouldn't just give

us a number.

We just can't come up with a number

that sounds...

We can't come up with something that

sounds too much, but it's not enough.

So we'll just say that it's a lot.

In the market, I mean,

I don't know why they would pay this

much attention,

but given the way that the economy is,

it could be kind of hard to praise

how much a hotel would be.

So maybe they're just like,

it's more than what...

the hotels that sale would cover.

Yeah, it's a lot.

It's a lot.

As front of the pod,

Bryce Isaiah would say, it's a lot.

So,

Elizabeth is back in her office at the

precinct watching the Father Crime episode

that Ruby is in.

And Ruby had mentioned to them,

as she was talking about the Father Crime

episode she was in,

she had mentioned the fact that, oh,

I have this musical number where I sing

to the kids in the convent.

It's a whole thing.

And so,

Elsa's watching the episode and she's

noticing,

we see her notice something about the

episode.

one thing about that is when ruby was

talking about it elspeth goes how was it

and she goes it was great it actually

looked like i was playing the guitar so

great such a great reference to any

musical person like any person trying to

play a musical instrument on television

yes anyway he's struggling he's strung out

of the rhythm of what his dog is

and so i was i was noticing something

about the episode we hear more about it

later and uh it's so funny because the

episode directly references that that

episode where like like patty lapone is on

the screen and she's like i can't believe

month superior that you murdered that pop

star it's like oh it's like a it's

funny because like inside the universe

right because in that episode uh the guy

that plays father crime

showed up at the convent because all the

nuns at the convent loved Father Crime.

Father Crime is taking the guy that plays

Father Crime.

He's taking the inspiration.

He's taking the inspiration.

They made an episode about that

in-universe thing.

It was almost like a law and order

type of thing.

We'll take it straight from the headlines

and make this episode about that.

That was funny.

That was good.

Another wink, wink moment for Elsmeth.

Elsmeth notices something about this

episode.

We'll find that out later.

So we'll find out right now because at

this moment,

Elizabeth goes back to Ruby and says, hey,

Ruby.

I was watching a Father Crime episode that

you're in.

And I noticed that you said that you

loved watching the musical number you were

in that night you were watching Father

Crime.

But I watched the episode and there was

not a musical number in it.

Your musical number got cut, apparently.

Everybody's like, oh, you know,

I guess I just forget sometimes.

I guess I'm just old.

I guess I forget things.

I forgot what's in the episode,

what got cut.

I guess I just forgot.

Oops, I'm old.

Oopsies.

And Elizabeth tries to like, you know,

kind of relate to Ruby.

She says, you know,

it must be kind of exhausting keeping up

this real star persona, you know,

to kind of like kind of cement your

place here.

You know,

you got to kind of keep up this

facade of who you are,

what type of person you are.

And Ruby's like, yeah, you know,

I used to be like I used to

have a different life.

I used to be married.

I used to be married to this guy.

He owned a bagel shop.

And but he died young.

And, you know,

he left me enough money to buy this

hotel room.

And that's kind of how I am,

how I ended up where I am now.

And could also be why she doesn't want

to give it up.

Also,

besides the fact that she has all of

this debt,

but the reason why she didn't move,

the reason why she like all of this

stuff is because she's trying to hold on

to.

I guess I can't remember the husband's

name is like Howard or Henry or something

like that.

But yeah.

Yeah.

So, you know, and Ruby says, no,

I soon came to realize that the only

way for an older woman to survive in

this city is to be memorable and make

sure that you're not yesterday's news.

It's like, OK, all right.

A little commentary there on on life,

on modern life.

Later,

Ella's brother's hanging out with Jolly.

He's kind of staring at her a little

bit.

You know,

he's talking about the fact that this song

is from Knickerbocker Holiday and it's a

comedy about fascism.

Kurt Vale wrote it after fleeing the

Nazis.

He figured that people in America would be

safe,

that it was safe for everyone in America.

elspeth goes yeah that's part of the sad

part about that song it's like ooh the

commentary about america damn and then

elspeth goes so you're telling israel so

you're telling me that the great american

songbook isn't just american it's like wow

like just really could also be you know

immigrants involved in this in some way

shape or form but uh i didn't know

this but knickerbocker holiday is real

like it's a real thing yeah i figured

i didn't look it up but i was

like i thought you're saying real stuff

here and it's like it's almost as if

immigrants make up an important part of

the fabric of america and have like

contributed not only to the building of

the country but also to the arts and

culture of the country as well get out

of here

You mean Kid Rock isn't the only musical

artist that's important in America?

Get out of here.

That is a cultural contribution.

Yeah, masterpiece.

That should be nothing but kid rock songs

in the Great American Songbook.

I'm telling you.

So as Jolly is talking about the Great

American Songbook,

he's talking about this guy, Vernon Duke,

being in the Great American Songbook.

And Elizabeth is like, Vernon, you say?

I've seen another Vernon somewhere.

It's like, oh,

that was on the note card that we

saw in Ruby's place.

Interesting, interesting, interesting.

Gonna keep that in my mind.

She asked Jolly about the second show of

the night,

of the night that the Duke died.

And Jolly says, oh yeah,

she was ecstatic on that second show.

and he does mention the fact that you

know she said she didn't have her award

that night to show the audience but then

when i went to go like give her

her bag later i noticed the bag weighed

the exact same as it does usually when

she has the award in her bag i

just also have to say this bag the

bag so great like it's got piano keys

it's got notes it's very well themed i

was like i was with notes to her

earlier i was like hey i have that

exact same tote bag

So they share a love of tote bags.

So Ellsworth goes, oh, okay.

Interesting.

She's supposed to have the award.

She said she didn't.

But now Jolly's saying she probably did

have the award in her bag.

So let's work on that.

So later...

Ruby is performing.

She's doing her show.

And Wagner and Elsbeth break into her show

to come and arrest her.

That's pretty rude.

That's not nice.

And also kind of, well,

but not out of character.

They've done this before.

They love to do this type of stuff.

But it felt meaner to do it to

Ruby for some reason.

I think they're trying to get us to

kind of feel for Ruby a little bit.

And now it's just like, oh, damn.

So now you're going to bust in her

show and arrest her?

That's not cool.

When you think about it, it's really rude.

They could have done this to any other...

The way they do this to everybody is

so mean.

Jason, I have to tell you,

over at the door, there's somebody here.

They're here to get you.

It's so rude.

You could wait thirty minutes.

You could have done this thirty minutes

sooner.

If I'm in the audience of this show,

I'm like, I wanted to watch the show.

Why did y'all interrupt the show?

Element of surprise.

I guess,

but you could have waited until the show

was over and just be like, oh, surprise,

the show's over and I'm going to arrest

you.

Not be like, not bust.

Or be like, for an encore,

you're arrested.

You're going to get arrested.

I know these are murderers.

I know I'm not supposed to feel bad

for murderers,

but

of messed up um kind of crazy but

and so yeah elizabeth does her elizabeth

thing she breaks down the whole crime she

says it as if she was there basically

she's like you did this you did this

you did this you pretend to watch father

crime hey you'll cover raisins uh you said

you didn't know the duke but then we

found out that that vernon note card was

the duke's phone number so you didn't know

the duke

So you lied to me.

It's like, okay, cool, cool, cool.

All of this is, again,

Wagner didn't even say it this time.

Where's the evidence, Elizabeth?

Elizabeth says it herself.

She says, yes,

all this is circumstantial evidence and

that there should be something to really

tie you to this.

There is.

And so Elizabeth says,

you try to use a shoehorn to pry

off the towel bar.

It's one of those standing up shoehorns.

It's not a...

I've never seen a shoehorn this big.

The only shoehorns I've ever seen are the

little pocket ones.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Elspeth says, you tried.

As Elspeth does,

she has the actual evidence there.

She has actual props.

She's like, you know, acting out.

She's like,

you tried to use a shoehorn to pry

out the Talbar.

That didn't work.

So you needed something heavier to knock

the Talbar off the wall.

So you used your award.

The same award you used to knock the

Duke in the head.

As Elspeth is trying to explain,

Ruby goes...

Can anyone follow this?

And Kaia,

who is watching the arrest go down, goes,

it's not that hard.

Wink, wink.

My god.

Elizabeth says,

and you said you didn't have the award,

but you did.

You didn't want to show the award after

you killed the Duke because you were

scared that people would see the blood was

on it.

So you didn't want people to see it.

And you were able to wash the blood

off later.

And so she says,

let's take a look at your award.

Ruby goes, oh, that award is mine.

I'm not going to let you take a

look at it.

She goes to grab the award so that

no one else can see it.

And wouldn't you know it,

the award is not in her bag.

What's in her bag is that same Statue

of Liberty headpiece that Elizabeth wore

in the first episode of Elizabeth.

This is where I'm like, really?

Are we sure?

Is the show ending?

Is this it?

What?

I just don't think they were sure they

were coming back.

They wanted to give all the references,

all the callbacks to go in there.

That was the same headpiece she wore the

very first episode of Ellsworth.

It's like, oh, that's a cute callback.

Come to find out.

ellsworth says oh i told you i had

that same tote bag and i did a

little switcheroo on you so i have your

tote bag with the award in it i

was like i'm not sure why we had

to do that or what that really what

that did for us but okay okay yeah

cool uh so ellsworth has the award she's

and the award is here i have it

and if you look at the base of

the award you can see the imprints that

you made hammering it into the towel bar

it's like

Or into the shoehorn.

Well, whatever.

Use the shoehorn as leverage.

Use the shoehorn as leverage if you

knocked the award into the shoehorn to pry

the towel bar off.

Which again, I'm like...

I feel like there are a lot of

good lawyers out there that could probably

get that thrown out in court,

but whatever.

Specifically in Chicago,

they could get away with it.

Yeah,

but this is the smoking gun that we

need to prove that Ruby was the one

that killed the Duke.

So here we are.

Ruby is getting arrested.

We find out later that Patricia from

Lavish Ladies is going to take over Ruby's

spot in the lounge.

She's like,

Okay, cool.

That's funny.

But yeah, again, another reference,

another.

Another reference.

Yeah.

I mean,

the show was usually very referential,

but it seemed like this was like.

Yeah, no, it was like a sandwich.

There was a lot going on in here.

Okay, so that was the main case.

We figured that out.

We had a good,

we had a pretty good segment of odds

and ends.

I mean, this is the season finale.

So we have to kind of like resolve

some things, talk about some things,

see where characters are moving to,

see what characters are doing.

And so at the beginning of the

investigation,

Wagner presents Elizabeth with a newspaper

article, this time a real one,

not a fake one like last week,

where last week there was a fake article

about Mayor Bloom meeting with Nadine.

This time it's a real article,

and Mayor Bloom is meeting with a

mysterious brunette.

And Ellsman seems to have conflicting

feelings about this.

She's not sure if she's happy.

Should that be great?

That's so great.

Like, isn't that great?

Like,

there's a mysterious brunette instead of

mysterious redhead.

You should be fine.

There's no feelings.

Okay, goodbye.

Ellsworth's obviously conflicted.

She's not sure if she's happy about this

or sad about this.

Alec is moving on without her.

Again,

something I thought we were going to come

back to.

Who's the mysterious brunette?

We never come back to it.

I was like, okay, cool.

So later, Teddy visits Ellsworth at work,

and he has some news.

His mom...

Roy and I might be getting married.

This is why I've been playing too much

of this video game.

Because this is what happens in

Tamagotchi, or Tamagotchi life.

They will tell you, the person, hi.

i have feelings for so and so do

you think i should propose and then you

tell you tell the little character thing

like what do you think you should do

and i was like oh my god this

is happening in elspeth right now because

teddy is like teddy doesn't say like i

think i'm gonna propose it's like a little

bit different but i have been playing too

too much of this game because i am

uh mapping everything

into this world i was like oh no

and then it was like oh how are

they going to propose are they going to

do it the old-fashioned these are their

choices in the game the old-fashioned way

with humor with so definitely if you are

playing this game please please tell me so

i am not the only one making you're

basically playing you're basically playing

god in this game

yes yeah you're like yes yes pretty much

yes but like it's great because you don't

have to tell them where to go they

just go on their own and talk to

the people on their own and then make

their own mess but you get to like

kind of help direct them and tell them

you know how to get married but anywho

uh teddy's having his own little tamadashi

life uh yeah he says uh listen roy

has reed

Roy has been hinting around that he wants

to get married, and I think I'm down.

I'm just not sure how I want to

do it.

You know me, Mom.

I want to be low-key.

I don't want to be super big and

romantic.

I want to hide a ring under a

Canadian bacon and a pizza.

That's kind of what I want to do.

I was just like, oh,

you kind of take after your dad in

that way,

because your dad proposed to me in a

footnote of a legal brief.

My heart is like, oh, that's so nerdy.

That's so cute.

It's always in the footnotes as on the

good wife.

Um, Elizabeth is there for him.

She gives him a little referring hug.

Um, but, but as you can tell,

as she's hugging Teddy, she's like,

Oh my God,

my little boy is moving on without me.

Oh no.

Like you can tell she has like a

little bit of a worry in her face.

Um,

you know, as we talked about, you know,

as Elizabeth is hanging out with Ruby,

she's talking about the fact that,

you know,

Teddy's moving on without her and Ruby

serenades her.

You know,

what will I do when you are far

away?

Elizabeth cries about it.

Roy visits Elizabeth later and tells her

the same news Teddy did.

Like, basically, word for word, it's like,

I think Teddy must be to propose.

I think I'm getting that feeling that he's

down.

I love, like, they both go into this,

like, I have news.

Yeah.

We

getting married.

Yeah, possibly.

Maybe.

I think the other person wants me to

propose, and I kind of want to propose.

And, you know,

Roy is here to kind of like ask

for Teddy's hand in marriage to Elizabeth,

which is great.

And it kind of really shows how close

Roy and Elizabeth are, right?

And I believe it.

I believe that relationship.

And, you know,

Roy tells Elizabeth he really wants a very

romantic proposal,

despite the fact that he knows that

Teddy's not that romantic.

He does want a big romantic proposal.

Ellsworth, you know, asked Roy,

so does this mean you guys might be

moving away, like, to the suburbs?

Well, because Roy is like, yeah,

I want this, like, big thing because,

like, I'm from the suburbs.

I was like, what does that...

I'm from the suburbs.

What does that mean?

Yeah, and, like...

Elspeth's like,

so are you going to move to the

suburbs?

And Roy says, well, I want kids.

And as you know, Elspeth,

the only way to have kids in New

York is to move to the suburbs.

I'm like, what?

Also in Tamodachi Life,

the characters have babies on their own.

But continue.

Stay tuned for the Tamodachi Pod.

um so he's like yeah yeah i want

kids so i'm gonna have to move to

the suburbs because kids are not allowed

to live in the city like like that's

basically what he's saying i'm like okay

cool uh so else was even more freaked

out now because now she's like she's kind

of future tripping up like they're gonna

have babies they're gonna move away from

me what am i gonna do and i'm

like well elspeth

in the first place,

you didn't move to New York where Teddy

wasn't.

I was like, but okay.

I'll rock with you with this.

That was part of your story to begin

with,

why Teddy was so mad at you because

you moved away from him in Chicago.

No, he was in D.C.

D.C., whatever.

You kind of moved here without him in

the first place, but okay.

He didn't exist for her entire storyline

in two other shows.

Yeah, exactly.

You can't be that close to him, Ellsworth.

You can't be that close to him.

But so yeah,

so Roy asked for a hand in marriage.

Freaks out by saying they're gonna move

the suburbs.

Teddy pops up again later on.

And Elizabeth hearing from Roy that he

wants a romantic proposal says, you know,

maybe sweetie,

I think maybe you should think about doing

a more romantic proposal for Roy.

Teddy being Teddy is super freaking

annoying.

He's like, Mom,

why are you trying to get in my

head?

I don't want to do a big thing.

That's not me.

And Roy already knows that.

Why are you trying to get in my

head?

Do you not think I'm mature enough to

get married?

It's like, well, from this conversation,

I'm kind of getting that.

I do have to say his point of

he's marrying me.

I don't want him to have unrealistic

opportunities.

I get that.

I get being worried about that.

But also...

like the fact that elspeth for once was

not meddling she's trying not to she's

meddling here she's now meddling she's

like okay i'm sorry i'm sorry i tried

not to meddle again he's like too late

and she's like like he's like you want

me to sky write in the sky or

something she's like why are people

against sky right he's like chemtrails mom

she's like that's not a real thing that's

that was funny that was funny

And on the way out,

as Teddy is storming out of Elizabeth's

office, Wagner passes him by.

Wagner goes, Teddy, what's going on?

Teddy, what's up?

What's up?

As if Wagner and Teddy are like these

great buds.

He's like, Uncle Wagner.

Yeah, it's like, what's going on, man?

And Teddy asks Wagner,

how did you propose to your wife, Wagner?

like no introduction like no it's just

straight up like not like uh i'm mad

at my mom or oh my dad's like

it was just like how'd you propose and

that's all that's anytime you want wagner

to talk about anything you just gotta talk

about claudia and how he proposed to

claudia because as we see from the from

the eight minutes of romantic nostalgia

later wagner is is wrapping up his story

he's like yeah i still have that champagne

cork that night

Every year, our anniversary,

we have champagne cork.

We talk to our kids about it.

Our kids know all about it.

It was really a great moment.

And this is what it takes for Teddy

to decide that he wants to have a

romantic moment.

Not what his mom said to him.

No, no.

But what his mom's boss said to him.

In my notes, I said,

this is why I hate you, Teddy.

I hate you, Teddy.

Because...

it took wagner to talk to you not

your mom to get you to recognize this

moment sometimes you can't hear the

message from your own parents i guess

sometimes you need that outside like

influence he's like oh mom oh gross yeah

exactly he is a little teenager wagner

gives you an eight minute talk you're like

oh that's what i have to do why

anybody tell me that in the first place

i should be romantic like

this was like bro to bro like this

was like dude to dude um so at

the at the end of the episode after

the case is all wrapped up teddy and

roy show up at the hotel riley uh

this is a surprise that teddy is playing

for roy teddy gets up on stage and

starts serenading roy

surprise no prize teddy can sing teddy can

actually sing as elsa as elsa and kai

are in the wings uh kai goes it's

true he should be on broadway he could

be on broadway like yes we get it

the actor is a broadway star uh now

nominated for a tony award we get it

um and we also see wagner regaling someone

else some other random person about his

engagement night again campaign court

The man loves to talk about it.

A great kind of wrap up to this

season, possibly to this show,

is Kaya and Elspeth are having a

one-on-one talk.

And Elspeth is getting emotional about the

fact that Roy is moving on.

She literally says,

it's the end of one season and the

beginning of another.

Oh my god.

The self-referencing is driving me nuts.

Elspeth says, things are going to change.

So I was like,

What kind of things?

What are you talking about?

She says, you know,

Teddy's going to move away.

She says,

but nothing's going to stop me from being

a great grandma because I,

the grandkids are going to love my hugs.

My clothes are so soft.

And Kaya tells her, listen, yes,

there is going to be change,

but you will never change Elsbeth.

That's why people love you.

Carrie Preston,

you can never leave the show.

I may leave the show.

I may be kicked off the show.

It's kind of like you are doing this

role for the rest of your life.

You're locked in.

Don't worry, audience.

Elizabeth will be here forever in your

hearts.

It's almost like a telegraph.

Hey, guys, listen.

Even if Elizabeth is not on your TV

screens anymore,

just know Elizabeth will always be

Elizabeth.

She lives in you.

Yeah,

it's like they're trying to prepare us for

Elsbeth to go off the air.

That's what I'm saying.

It's like they're trying to get us ready

for the end of Elsbeth.

And this is where Kaia tells Elsbeth that

the hotel loves her so much in her

role that she's been in for,

I don't know, a week,

that they're going to promote her to the

ownership's office.

I was like, okay.

And Kaya says, and actually,

my captain thinks this is a good idea

for me to stay on at the hotel.

My captain, CBS Paramount,

and their budget strings that cut shows

like The Cold Bearer.

This is so confusing to me.

I'm like...

Why?

Well,

what's confusing to me is that Kaya's

genuinely excited when she's telling

Elspeth this.

When the last time she was talking to

Elspeth about work, she was like,

I don't know.

That was really traumatic for me.

We didn't really get a...

resolution on how kaya got to this place

to be excited to go continue working and

i think maybe there is a larger

conversation about what's going on at this

hotel so i think you know the fact

this is where i think the hotel could

be us a scene for next next season

because if kai is there and we do

see um that you know there is a

buyer for this hotel in the long run

So I feel like this place could be

a place that gets visited a couple times

in season four.

Yeah, I suppose.

I'm so confused.

Oh yeah, it doesn't really make sense.

So Kaia is now going to be working

for this hotel for an extended period of

time.

We don't really get a resolution of is

the hotel not going to get sold?

Is the Duke's death cementing that in

stone?

That it's not going to get sold?

But if Duke is out and now Ruby's

out,

I feel like we're still out of maybe

a stalemate?

I don't know.

I don't know.

They never resolved it.

No,

I thought they mentioned that there was a

new buyer.

And the new buyer was Monty.

But there's someone that wants to buy the

hotel,

but we're not still sure if he's going

to buy the hotel.

Yeah.

And we get, Ellsworth goes,

did we ever find out who was going

to be the new buyer?

As we see Monty leaving an elevator.

Elevator.

Elevator.

Elevator.

Important.

As we are strongly intimating that Monty

was going to be the buyer of the

hotel.

this is what i think like he'll be

around like this i guess it was it

was so bizarre to me i was just

like they did do a good job explaining

this story and what this really means like

i guess i guess the hotel will maybe

play a role in next season we'll see

kai at the hotel i don't know i

was like this was poorly told in my

opinion

I think you are correct,

and I also think they needed to leave

something open if they truly wrote this

when they thought they were going to be

canceled.

They just needed to leave something

ambiguous so that they had something to

pick up on if they got picked up

for season four.

Yeah, I'm so confused, but whatever.

If it means more Kaia on our screens,

even in a recurring capacity,

and we kind of get that confirmed.

Oh, I think that that is...

truly what's going to happen because

elizabeth does tell kaya it's so nice i

like it when you pop up in these

places yeah expecting like she says this

kaya's kind of now telling us i'm going

to be in this hotel for a long

time like so maybe they should only be

the hotel

i don't know i'm so confused um but

anyway we also see uh as we heard

that this living mural in the in the

hotel gets updated a lot and this this

it's almost like uh if anyone watches

marvel it's like the watcher in marvel

whenever an important uh moment happens in

the universe the watcher watches the

moment it's almost it's almost kind of

like whenever important moment happens in

the hotel it gets added to the mural

and we see the artist uh painting in

teddy and roy as they are dancing um

on their big night

As we are to assume that Teddy proposed

to Roy.

We don't see the actual proposal, but...

I guess it happened.

It was a mutual proposal.

Maybe they decided, like, he sang,

and they were like, yeah.

But then to not see it,

it's just like, okay, sure.

I guess I didn't need to see it

if it was either Teddy proposing to Roy

or that Ellsworth-Kaya moment.

They made the right choice to give us

the Ellsworth-Kaya moment,

but it's just like, okay, sure.

And so in the very last moment of

the season,

And I wonder possibly the show.

Elizabeth is walking around the lobby of

the hotel.

She's looking around.

She sees someone walking around with a

playbill of a show.

For Broadway.

This is a real show on Broadway?

No, no.

I'm just saying it's a Broadway show.

A playbill from Broadway.

The show is Maybe Happy Ending.

I did not do the research to see

if this is an actual show.

Maybe Happy Ending.

Okay.

It is a real Broadway show.

It's a clay and Broadway musical about two

obsolete human-like robots who discover

each other in soul and embark on an

unexpected heartwarming adventure that

challenges what they believe is possible

for themselves.

You know who is in it?

Who's in it?

Darren Criss.

You know what show he was in?

Glee!

Glee!

But why was it so important to Elsbeth,

I wonder?

Well, I think the title.

Maybe.

I'm sure.

Oh, happy ending.

And then happy ending.

Oh,

this could have been the ending of the

show.

Okay, even more.

It keeps confirming to me that they were

unsure if this was a series or a

season finale.

This is all the hallmarks of series finale

that

And Elizabeth stops this woman in the

middle of the lobby and says, oh,

I love that show.

And Elizabeth says,

isn't it great to love things?

as we just see Elizabeth and this woman

talking.

Yeah, it was a very weird,

but it was like,

it was a very poignant, like,

Elizabeth is very earnest in how she

talks, and the camera is, like,

zoomed in and then zoomed out.

Like,

it could have been the ending of things,

because Elizabeth's whole thing is that

she loves things, right?

Like, she just loves, and she's the...

She loves life.

Everything fan, right?

Lives out loud, yeah.

Yeah, so, yeah,

this is where it was definitely, like,

It's giving series finale.

It's giving series finale.

It really is.

It's one of those series finales that can

function either as a season or a series.

It's not giving anything definitive to

close out a character's arc.

It's not as if Elizabeth dies.

Or Elizabeth decides to retire or

something.

That would be a definitive end.

This is an ending where if it had

to be the series finale,

you can look back and say, okay...

everyone left in a happy place that's what

i'm saying yeah they closed out what they

needed to but also left doors open if

they needed to pick some stuff up yeah

so some of it was confusing for me

some of it was just like okay why

do we do that but overall i thought

it was a good place to end the

season

And it was fun.

Even though it mentioned it

self-referenced itself a gazillion times.

It was part of the fun.

It got a little cringy,

but it's also funny.

It's also fun and funny.

We love to criticize the show.

We really do.

But also we can recognize when the show

does things well.

We also love the show.

Isn't it great to love things, Jason?

It's great to love things, Marissa.

It really is.

Yeah, so that's the episode.

I realize that we did not do our

usual housekeeping at the beginning of the

show.

Oh my gosh, we had so much.

Yeah, we were so,

I was so captivated by your singing.

performance yes yes um so we wonder let's

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That's right.

Yeah, that's the one.

That's the one.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Over on the U.S.

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I was like, one episode at a time.

But, like...

it's time to go jason where can people

find you uh you can find me talking

about mess i love to talk about mess

and i'll talk about it in several

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different ways right now you can catch me

on the perfect match podcast with my

co-host asia welch as we talk about marry

your first site the reality show where yes

it's exactly as the title suggests these

people do not know each other they meet

at the altar and they get married sight

unseen

So that's,

and it leads to some messy situations.

We are right now,

since we don't have a new season to

talk about,

we are going into the vault and we're

talking about old seasons,

talking about season twelve,

one of the messiest,

best seasons of the show.

You can join us on Patreon for that,

that we are exclusively there right now.

Me and Asia are also with our friend

Kirsten McInnes talking about the show.

Perfect Match,

not to be confused with the podcast,

with our podcast named Perfect Match

because, hey, we were first.

Then they came out with the show.

Just wanted to put that out there.

Perfect Match is kind of like Battle of

the Reality Show, Mess Stars,

the Mess Olympics,

whatever you want to call it.

Different people from different shows come

together and suck face and make out and

pair up.

You can just see all the mess that

that pretends to or on the Rob has

podcast network as we talk about that show

together as well.

uh that's it for me that's it for

mercy g last time you're seeing us until

next season we're gonna miss you yeah yeah

so uh and until next time whatever that

is stay good