welcome to the good pod where they were

talking else but season three episode

nineteen catch and kill i'm one of your

host jason reed with me i don't you

didn't get this from me you hear this

from me okay but what i hear

that my co-host Marissa Garza is a giant

nerd.

Just what I heard.

I don't know.

I'm not going to tell you who I

heard it from.

That's what I heard.

You know, there's room for good branding,

Jason.

Hey, listen.

Don't shoot the messenger.

I'm just saying what I heard from my

guy.

From who?

From Pop Lunatic.

Oh, okay.

pop lunatics out here just giving the

throne to everybody even even small-time

podcasters like us like you know oh jason

you guys are you good yeah i'm good

you good i'm good okay that's good that's

good that's good okay i'll be jealous of

my branding

You know, I've always told you,

I'm super jealous of Mars Bars.

It's me, Marissa G.

Your branding is bar none, is the best.

Thank you.

Man, one episode away.

One more episode away until the season

three finale.

No more, Kaya, but one episode away.

The good news is we're getting Kaia back

next episode for the season finale.

That's what Jason says, everyone.

That is what Jason has told me and

you and everyone.

If IMDb is to be trusted,

which sometimes it's not, you never know.

But, you know, hey,

we might get Kaia sooner than we think.

I'm just saying.

How is that possible?

Is there going to be like a nineteen

point five episode?

Maybe.

Maybe there's going to be something

different, something else going on.

Like a webisode?

Maybe.

Who knows?

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I did wait to break this to you

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Okay.

So let me give it to you right

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Sorry,

I'm still talking as my phone loads the

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Hold on.

Okay, here we go.

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Oh, thank you.

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I'm just giving you all sorts of good

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You're doing so good.

I'm loving it.

They really needed it after the movie.

Yeah, exactly.

So right now,

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Thank you.

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Loving the curls, Jason.

Love you too, Marissa,

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I don't think we've ever really turned

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No, no.

We'll talk about anything.

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No one's hit the limitation yet,

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Okay.

That's all out of the way.

That was a fun little segment for us.

A fun little, you know, get our,

get our hypes going, you know,

a good week for the good pod,

you know?

So that's always good for us.

Interesting episode, Marissa,

mostly because we've had our first

returnee of a murderer.

I don't know if you even realized this.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

So this is what happened.

I was like, oh, first of all,

I saw that Laura Bonetti was going to

be in this episode.

Of course.

because I follow her on Instagram because

she's just awesome and amazing.

And she's like seemingly in all of the

shows that we end up covering.

So we end up being in there.

Just like, oh my gosh, dreams come true.

I'm gonna be in this episode of Ellsworth

with Tracy Ullman.

And then I was like, Tracy Ullman?

Was Tracy Ullman done with The Good Wife?

Was Tracy Ullman done with Elizabeth?

Where was Tracy Ullman?

Like,

I knew Tracy Ullman was in this verse,

but I did not clock that she was

a repeat offender.

But it would make sense.

And the great thing about Tracy Ullman is

she is so multifaceted that she can play

two totally different characters in the

same series.

We had a whole show about this,

where she did this,

called The Tracy Ullman Show,

where she played everybody.

That's what she does.

So she can come back in the same

series a season later,

be a totally different character.

If you don't remember who Tracy Ullman was

in the season prior,

she played the psychic to the lady that

was the heir to a snack cookie fortune.

And this psychic was trying to insider

trade by telling this woman different

things about her dead husband and what her

dead husband would want her to do.

And I think the psychic was responsible

for killing

the dead CEO's son so that the son

couldn't tell his stepmother what to do

with the company, something like that.

But yeah, if you don't remember,

that's where Tracy Ullman showed up

previously.

So yeah, this was a very...

And the great thing about Tracy Ullman as

well is that she's such a character actor

that she does this thing where I complain

sometimes when we have these guest stars

on and they don't really...

do much.

They're just kind of being a normal

person.

Yes, a murderer,

but they're not doing anything fun or

kooky.

Tracy Ullman will come in here and do

some fun, kooky stuff,

and she did that in playing Betty this

episode.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

This was a great match for actor and

character.

And it's always fun whenever Tracy

Ullman's on the screen.

You never really know which direction

that's going to go,

but you know it's going to be good.

Yeah, for sure.

All right.

Let's dive in.

Let's start with, as we always do,

the mix.

Okay,

so we see kind of like a old-timey,

black and white,

kind of noir-y little scene as we get

some scenes of old-style New York.

And we hear someone talking over,

we hear the narration,

talking about the good old days of New

York City,

when you could go to get some juicy

gossip from some publicists,

back rooms of bars.

That's where she used to go to get

all of her gossip, all of her secrets.

You know, she complains, you know,

nowadays everything's out in the open now.

Nothing is sacred.

Nothing is secret anymore.

Gossip is just not what it used to

be.

I was like, okay, cool.

I don't know what's happening,

but I'm digging it.

I'm digging it.

But remember, Jason,

from our Gilded Pod coverage,

gossip is its own currency.

So I was like, ooh,

this is going to get juicy.

I didn't know where it was going to

be.

I didn't know if the gossip person was

going to be

the offender or if there was gossip about

our characters like I had no idea where

it was gonna go but I would say

at least in our television watching uh

gossip is a long honored New York City

tradition true and you know we've had so

many famous uh murderers in our time I

thought maybe we they'd milk this for more

than you know yeah

Maybe somebody's doing something in jail

that there's some juicy gossip about,

one of the murderers that we've had.

But they didn't really squeeze that orange

too much.

But yeah, so we see someone.

It's Tracy Oldman.

We're like, okay, okay.

We find out her name is Betty.

Betty gets a call from someone named Otis,

and he wants to meet with her over

some really juicy gossip,

some really juicy scoop.

She arrives to the meeting place.

can we just for a moment pause and

talk about the style of the situation so

we did have like the noir thing but

then like betty betty is stuck in the

eighties like i love betty's whole style

betty's got like no eyebrows except for

the ones that are penciled on she's got

like

really glitzy type of wardrobe that she

wears just out of normal every day and

then her car is like straight out of

the eighties to me but I don't know

if it's because I just was around in

a lot of old cars but

I wasn't paying attention in the eighties

that much to cars,

but like a boxy limousine with like the

velvet interior and everything.

And I just was like,

this is such a statement in terms of

who this woman is and what she,

she values.

And you could tell she probably lives in

like a rent controlled apartment.

You know,

like she's had that apartment forever.

It's more than just an apartment.

It's like a floor of an apartment.

Yeah.

For sure.

And yeah, so at first I was like,

well,

would they bring Tracy Ullman back on to

be the murderer twice in a row?

Maybe Tracy Ullman's going to be the

victim here and she's only going to be

here for like a short time.

I was wondering.

And so we hear that Otis is going

to be with Otis.

Okay, who's Otis?

Otis comes.

I'm like, okay,

Otis isn't like super famous.

So I don't think Otis is going to

be the murderer.

So Tracy Ullman's probably going to be the

murderer.

And so Otis and Betty meet up in

the back of her car in the backseat.

She dismisses her chauffeur because Otis

has some big news.

Otis tells her, listen,

the scoop I have is actually about you,

Betty.

What?

I know your secret, Betty.

He's like, oh, crap.

Uh-oh.

And Otis starts threatening her.

Like, listen, from now on,

you are going to print what I tell

you to in your gossip column or else

your secret's going to be out.

He's like, oh, okay.

and this is like a direct threat to

the gossip industry like if somebody knows

your sources if somebody knows what's

going on especially in this case barbara's

like uh you know a reporter not a

journalist a reporter she reports

columnist there we go yeah um this is

a direct threat to her livelihood and so

she's taking it pretty seriously

Yeah, well,

you don't know what the secret is,

but it's like... No, but yeah.

It's kind of a secret.

I should also mention that as we see

Otis getting into Betty's car,

we do see someone kind of taping it

from a window.

Well, and he was like...

sims yelling is what oh yeah he was

very he was like what i tell you

to from now on well but i mean

your secret is out even before he got

in the car there was like like he

was yelling at someone in yes the

restaurant which is why i thought that

like that was gonna be the thing but

um i called it sims yelling because i

didn't get to like see it but i

def i mean hear it but i definitely

saw it you know

We next go to,

we see a clip from Otis' show.

Otis is a talk show host on something

called New York Confidential,

I think it was called.

And he's interviewing this action movie

guy.

He's like, oh, you know,

you do all these crazy stunts.

It must be hard to scare you.

And then,

much like they used to do in the

show, like Ellen DeGeneres,

they'd have somebody pop out and try to

scare the guest star.

And they're like, oh my gosh.

And the person popping out of this thing

to scare them is wearing some sort of

mask.

It's like, okay,

what the heck is this mask they've got

on?

I thought it was interesting that this was

also a gay talk show host that also

used a box to scare celebrities.

They made it very clear who they were

referencing in this moment.

Very thinly veiled.

Yes,

and also just keep that in mind as

people begin to talk about the working

conditions of working for this person in

particular.

Yes, for sure.

So the people watching this clip,

it's Betty,

and it's also someone named Lorena

Marchuk.

And Betty wants to put Lorena's story out

there because Lorena is feeling pretty

crappy about what Otis is doing.

He's using her face to scare people on

his talk show.

She wants the public to hear what Lorena

thinks about this.

Lorena says, ah,

no one's going to care about what I'm

doing.

No one's going to care what I think

about anything because I was recently

arrested.

I just got out of jail.

No one's going to care what I think.

Now, Lorena Marchuk...

played by someone that I was not totally

familiar with,

Conchita Tomei from a show called

Providence,

which I'm assuming is kind of like a

soap opera because it has a lot of

episodes, and China Beach.

I was not a China Beach person,

but when you heard of China Beach,

you were like, oh, my God,

it's China Beach.

Well,

China Beach was a show that I had

to go in my room because my mom

wouldn't let me watch it.

It was like,

it's time to go to bed show.

But it was about Vietnam, I think.

And it was a pretty long running show.

And so I just was like,

oh my God, China Beach,

got to go to bed.

Got to go to bed and sneak watch

China Beach.

It had, like, TV scenes, Jason.

Some sexy time stuff in it.

Some of that softcore stuff back in the

day.

You know, network TV softcore stuff.

Silk stockings was my thing back in the

day.

Okay.

So, yeah.

Kachana's like, no one cares what I think.

There's no point of me even, like,

having you write about what I think.

Okay?

And...

Lorena's like, oh, my God,

I can't believe, I can't, Betty,

I can't believe you're sticking by me,

because, you know, back in the day,

you know, it was me, you, and Augusto,

and I know you and Augusto had a

thing, and he was, like, flirting with me,

so I don't know why, like,

it's great that you're still, like,

you're still rocking with me,

and while Lorena is off, you know,

getting some tea or something,

Betty is out here sneaking around,

she has taken one of Lorena's

would you call this it was kind of

big like a hanky like a scarf embroidered

scarf like a like yeah i would say

it was a scarf yeah she takes a

scarf and you know puts it in her

bag like okay but it has lorena's initials

on it got her monogram on it yeah

yeah yeah uh anna cam's character last

episode probably made it for her probably

probably by hand by hand okay one point

five hours yeah yeah

So, yeah, she takes one of the scarves.

Like, okay,

what's she going to do with that?

She puts it in her bag.

And as Lorena is walking around talking,

Betty's like, all right, girl,

I got to go.

See you later.

And as Betty is on her way out,

she presses a little button on the inside

of the door to make sure that she

can get back in if she needs to.

Because it doesn't lock the door.

It literally makes sure the door does not

lock when they close the door.

Yeah, I mean, like,

I do this by putting the deadbolt out

sometimes when I go take the trash out.

Oh, yeah.

That's smart.

Is it, though?

Because, like, anyone could just, like,

comment.

I'm, like, I'm okay.

I'm in a safe place.

But, like,

I was reading about how people do this

at hotels to, like, go get ice.

And then they'll come back and their

entire room is completely trashed because

they left it open.

But this was definitely a building from a

different time where they had different

security concerns.

I think I was like, I've never heard.

I've never seen something like that.

That's pretty nifty.

Just like to make sure that you see

my paranoid self.

would constantly be going back and

checking to make sure I didn't keep that

button pressed.

As I'm going to bed at night,

I'm like,

did I undo the no lock on the

door?

Let me go check.

Or I would just ignore it and be

like, this doesn't exist,

so I don't think about it,

and I would end up locking myself up.

Those would be the two different ways.

Truly.

So, Betty's up to something.

We're like, okay,

what's going on with Betty?

Later,

Betty kind of dressed up in Lorena

cosplay.

She's got on like a little bit of

a,

because Lorena has on this interesting

headpiece, headscarf, I would say.

So she shows up at Otis's trailer,

kind of wearing this Lorena cosplay.

And Otis is like, oh, okay, Betty,

what's up?

Why are you dressed like that?

And lo and behold, Betty has,

you guys get ready for this.

Betty has a gun, you guys.

A gun.

A gun.

Who kills people with a gun on this

show?

Concentrated apple seeds.

Not a mace or something.

Not a CD.

Not some other random device.

A gun.

And bleach.

Yeah, a freaking gun guy.

It's like, whoa,

Betty is not coming to play.

She's not going to.

And this was not like one of those

make it look like an accident thing.

Like she had a gun and she was

going to use it.

She gunned this man down.

He had his back to her.

She was like, pop, pop, got his ass.

And so then we see her using the

scarf to put the gun back in the

handbag.

It's like, okay, well,

obviously there's going to be some framing

going on here.

So let's see how that works out.

who was really like i thought she was

gonna leave the gun there with the scarf

that because the monogram was on it you

know what i mean like he's smart but

he's smarter than that marissa she's

smarter than that she's going to spin

around the block a few times yeah let's

let's see what she's gonna do she's much

smarter than that i think let's let's talk

about it when we get there um so

the murder has been completed time for the

investigation okay

We have no fun way of saying that

word.

Investigation.

The investigation.

Investigation.

Whatever.

So for this episode,

our crime-solving team

is elsbeth of course as always the show

is named after her it'd be kind of

weird if she wasn't one of the people

um we have our guy buzz newly unretired

like oh great we saw him last episode

and he's back in this episode and his

best bud who for some reason wasn't around

for his unretirement party last episode

grace is also here it's like okay she

was busy on the comedy circuit okay she

had a busy day

Yeah, so Elizabeth, Buzz,

and Grace are our crime-solving team for

this episode.

We find a casing from the gun that

was used to kill Otis.

All right, we got one step.

I'm just so glad that this wasn't,

this could not be easily ruled an

accident.

I was so bad someone couldn't come in

like, oh,

looks like this guy actually shot himself

or something.

I don't know where the gun is,

but it must've been an accident.

Case closed.

So at least with a gun,

we can be like, yeah,

this was probably definitely a murder.

and you know everyone's like oh my gosh

why would someone do this to Otis he

was such a nice guy oh my god

uh huh yeah I mean that's his reputation

in Hollywood is he's a nice guy that's

that's our reputation

And so I'm like, God,

why would they do this to Otis?

And we find multiple phones on Otis for

some reason,

which I'll come back into play later.

We're like, okay, that's interesting.

Otis has multiple phones.

Let's see where this leads.

We then get a PA coming forward,

a production assistant for those not in

the biz, and says, hey, by the way,

I did see somebody with like,

this crazy makeup on and this crazy like

headscarf.

And of course,

because Elizabeth is Elizabeth,

Elizabeth is getting into everything

around the set.

She's digging into crates.

She's digging into boxes.

She's like, what's this?

What's this?

What's this?

What's this?

What's this?

And then so Elizabeth says, oh,

crazy face and a crazy headscarf, you say?

What about something like this?

And she pulls out the mask that was

used in the show because she found it

on the set.

And of course she is doing her Elizabeth

thing.

She's like, you mean something like this?

And Rutgers is like, yeah, exactly.

Like they look like that.

So I was like, okay,

so this is a mask of Lorena.

So you were talking about Lorena.

Let's go talk to Lorena.

And they're like, okay,

Lorena is a socialite that went to prison,

was the wife of a dead real estate

giant.

I was like, okay,

a lot of info about Lorena.

well yes yeah and we also got the

classic uh let's have elspeth put on the

mask and sort of see what act out

the crime yes act out the crime thing

before we went to go talk to lorena

but i think they're they're trying to

establish lorena here with this

information as like from the olden days

like from the era she's old money oh

you know she's been here for a while

she's been around she was the she was

called the medusa of madison avenue and uh

for whatever reason this was a running gag

on otis's show which is what we kind

of alluded to earlier where lorraine is

like i hate that he uses my freaking

mask on my face on that show so

the team all goes to lorraine's house and

lorraine's like yeah yeah i hated that

bastard for what he did you know with

with my mask and with my face and

everything but you know i wasn't at his

trailer last night i was here like i

say i stays here i'm in this house

all the time i don't leave this house

Why would I?

What's my life?

I don't live with anybody,

so I can't confirm my whereabouts,

but I don't leave here.

I was here watching my favorite show.

That's what goes, was it Ninja Warrior?

First of all, I was Beth.

I was Beth.

it's american ninja warrior oh yeah if i

want to say it like matt eisman american

ninja warrior he loves to say that on

that show uh one of my favorite shows

as well okay i love american ninja warrior

as my as me my family's jam okay

it's a nice wholesome family viewing it is

a good family show

She goes, no, not American Ninja Warrior.

Young and the Restless.

Obviously.

Okay, cool.

Love that for you.

I don't know if that was some kind

of inside info,

like

Was she on Young and the Restless, Jason?

Was Lorena on Young and the Restless?

Conchetta Tomei,

not related to Marissa Tomei, by the way,

in case you were all wondering,

as I'm sure a lot of people were.

This is why they said that on the

EIO overview of Conchetta.

As I am searching her IMDb,

I will tell you,

she is in one episode of Elspeth.

That's for sure.

I can tell you that much.

she was also in one episode of arrest

development she was in one episode of veep

nip tuck she oh judging amy seventh heaven

remember judging amy yeah i was like i

was a kid when judging amy was on

was i oh no not really see china

beach had sixty episodes also she was the

mom and don't tell mom the babysitter said

classic classic

Yeah,

I don't see her on Young and the

Restless.

But maybe Providence was like... Oh,

she was also on two episodes of Winx.

But maybe... And Picket Fences.

Oh, man.

She was really,

really making up for it on those really

trendy shows.

One episode of Sisters.

Your fave.

George Clooney.

Yeah, I know.

Anywho...

Anywho, not on Young and the Restless.

No, but it could have been.

Young and the Restless is a CBS show

and this is on a CBS.

Let's figure that out.

Yeah, probably.

Yeah, so Lorena's like,

I don't know who's going to tell you

that I was here because no one was

here to confirm.

So, Elspeth is like,

just chatting it up with Lorena.

Sits down.

She's like, oh.

What am I sitting on?

What is this?

She goes into the couch cushions and

wouldn't you know it,

it's the gun wrapped in the scarf.

Oh my, like, that's crazy, right?

Like, Betty.

You couldn't do a better framing job than

that.

Like, come on.

And also like someone could have got shot

in the butt, you know, like that.

Yeah, for sure.

That's really dangerous.

I think about that a lot.

Not that I think about guns in couches

a lot,

but I think when that does happen,

I'm like, if you sat on the gun,

you could got shot in the butt and

that would have been not great.

So obviously Betty came back at some point

in the night with the whole, you know,

yeah, yeah.

That's the button gag came in and put

the gun in the couch.

So they arrest Lorena and they say,

all right,

get your get your butt in the car.

On the way out with Lorena getting

arrested, Betty's here.

She's like, Lorena, oh my God,

what's happening?

On the way out of Lorena's apartment to

get into the cop car,

wouldn't you know what?

Betty's here.

The number one thing you don't do,

murderers,

is show up at the scene of the

crime and show up as the person you

framed as getting arrested.

Because that's like the number one and two

thing that's going to tip Elizabeth off to

what's going on.

Well, and Betty, like,

really does not handle this situation very

well.

At least the aftermath.

Yeah, and Lorraine's like, Betty, Betty,

defend me, defend me.

And I was just like, okay, interesting.

Who are you?

Are you her lawyer?

She said defend you.

And Betty's like, oh, no, no, no.

I'm just, you know,

I work for the paper.

And I do the gossip comments.

I'm Betty so-and-so.

defend me in the court of public opinion

don't defend me as a person and it

was also funny because elspeth was like

well i'm a lawyer but i'm with the

police she just she just was still kind

of like finding her place i guess i

don't know she's like i'm a lawyer too

but i'm with the police

And of course,

because Elizabeth hears that Betty works

for the paper, she's like,

do you know my son?

My son's name is Teddy.

He works for your paper too.

And she's like, no, I don't.

I feel like Betty does not talk to

anyone else at the paper.

She's just like,

I don't know who your little son is.

Well,

and I don't think the papers are like

that.

Like everyone's on their own beat in their

own world.

They're not necessarily, you know,

like talking together.

Yeah.

It's not like one of those little sitcoms

where everybody's in the bullpen and just

having fun and hanging out.

So we are back at the precinct.

Grace has breaking news.

We find out that Otis was Pop Lunatic.

And she's telling this to Wagner.

Wagner's like, oh, that's great.

Who was that?

Which is kind of my reaction, too.

I was like, who is this person?

Am I supposed to know what Pop Lunatic

is?

What is going on?

It kind of came out of nowhere for

me.

Pop Lunatic is apparently a anonymous

online trollster who does basically the

updated version of what Betty does.

Like the, you know,

the new twenty twenties ish version.

And he's like,

they talks about the old Hollywood

version.

yes is on the current beat yeah the

new hollywood aka online very online

chronically online like uh president but

not yeah they're like uh oh my god

like how do we know this like what

do you mean like well you know that

other phone we found on him that was

logged into the pop lunatic uh you know

social media account so obviously otis is

pop lunatic

Like, oh my God, that's crazy.

And like, you know what?

That makes sense because pop lunatic

pissed a lot of people off by,

you know,

spreading all this online gossip and,

and digging up secrets about people.

So also, you know, that,

that could have included Lorena.

So that makes a lot of sense.

You know,

Lorena was already a criminal and they're

like, well,

Lorena got arrested back in the day for

house discrimination.

He's like, okay, interesting.

um for housing discrimination i guess

because she was probably she's married to

a real estate magnate maybe she had her

own things on the side and she probably

probably did not write to black people

like some uh probably somebody in our

country back in the day um just saying

yeah so betty has interviewed the rain for

prison apparently and betty is out here

you know uh

fighting the good fight for Lorena.

Because she says, you know,

this is this is even the worst thing

Lorraine has done.

Lorraine once punched a Bergdorf

saleswoman.

It's like, okay,

So Lorena's been in all sorts of trouble

before.

So this is not the first time Lorena's

been in trouble with the law.

But we were able to,

because we have the casing from the gun,

and Lorena was married to some guy that

has some source of Russian guns.

So that makes a lot of sense.

The gun was Russian.

Lorena's husband was Russian.

So boom, we got our evidence, right?

Like, not exactly.

Yeah.

well yeah i mean i thought that the

that's also interesting if you are looking

at her husband as an unnamed real estate

magnate who was involved in um housing

discrimination and involved with the

russians that's all i'm saying it might be

a little interesting we try to put those

pieces together

uh so elspeth is doing her elspeth thing

i'm like hmm i don't know guys like

if lorena was the killer why would she

have me why would she like not freak

out when i was going to go sit

on the couch if the gun was right

in the couch she knew that the gun

was going to be on the couch

i i don't know like and also because

you can get shot in the butt right

i want to do that also otis had

been doing his lorraine a bit on his

show for years why would lorena wait so

long to get retribution on otis for this

like that doesn't make any sense either so

i was like okay elizabeth is on the

case time to talk to betty betty seems

to know a lot more than we think

she should know

Elizabeth is at Lorraine's house.

She's freaking out at all the people that

Betty has met.

Betty has all these newspaper clippings of

the people she's talked about.

She's talked about Princess Di.

She's talked about,

who else does she have?

She had a whole bunch of famous people

up there.

It was like Mick Jagger,

some other people.

And Betty's like, yeah, spoiler alert,

I've met all of them.

Basically, shut up.

I'm done with that.

Whoever you say, I have met them.

So let's not even get through that.

Betty is talking about how much of a

boss she is.

She's like, listen,

in all my years of doing this,

I've never missed a deadline.

That deadline is left.

Thirty p.m.

at

Listen, write that down.

It's going to be very important.

Okay.

Something is going to happen with eleven

thirty p.m.

because whenever they light that up.

And the fact that she has never missed

a deadline.

Never, never missed it.

Every single day of her career,

she's never missed her eleven thirty

deadline.

Okay.

That's the time she's get her stories into

for the paper the next day.

Okay.

Write that down.

Elizabeth says,

Elizabeth immediately clocks this.

She's like, that's interesting.

Eleven thirty, you say.

Because the details of Otis's murder were

not released officially until this

morning.

So how did you know in time last

night for the paper for this morning if

your deadline is always eleven thirty at

night?

Betty's like, darling, I have my ways.

I know my people.

I own this town.

I know all of the eyes and the

ears.

They're all telling me things.

You silly, silly Elsbeth.

You can't wait for press releases.

No way.

Betty's like, reasons, Elsbeth.

Reasons.

That's why.

I have sources.

Pretty much just waves it off immediately.

But he says, well, maybe, you know,

I just don't want to believe that Lorena

is guilty.

Well,

that's why I'm defending her so much in

the press.

But, you know,

also I did show her the clip of

Otis of mocking her.

Maybe that's what got her so mad that

she decided to kill Otis.

Maybe this is kind of my fault a

little bit because I showed it to her.

Oh, no.

And she said that Lorena's response was

she was really mad.

Real mad.

Real mad.

Real mad.

And so Betty is trying to shoot Elspeth

out of her apartment.

And as Betty is opening the door,

Elspeth is like, huh,

that's an interesting lock on that door,

huh?

And points out the feature that you can

press the button and it won't lock you

out of your house.

Because Elspeth's house has the exact same

lock, supposedly, apparently,

conveniently.

Yeah, I was like, hmm.

You guys,

I feel like you're doing a little too

much here.

Because why would Ellsworth be looking at

that lock of the door?

Yeah.

OK.

Exactly.

All right.

And Ellsworth, at this point,

pretty much directly accuses Betty without

directly accusing her.

Indirectly, directly accuses Betty.

She's like,

it'd be kind of easy for someone to

push this little button and sneak back

into someone else's apartment and maybe

plant something.

that maybe killed Otis, don't you think?

They're literally getting something in

Betty's face.

And it's like pretty much accusing her

outright,

which is what else we'd like to do

to get our murderers kind of like shaking

in their boots a little bit.

uh later at the precincts uh grace is

telling elizabeth elizabeth we have an

issue like there has been people online

talking about how terrible otis actually

is otis is not the great guy we

thought he was everyone's coming out

saying he was terrible the gay talk show

host with a running stint of scaring

celebrities was not a great work

environment so i hear sounds familiar

Maybe you think Otis liked to dance in

his audiences before he started his show?

Oh, maybe.

Maybe he had a DJ also that would

do that.

And also really told everyone to be kind.

Yeah.

Maybe.

It sounds familiar, but I don't know.

I don't know what we're talking about.

Hashtag Otis is mean is trending all

across social media.

Everybody's like, oh my God, that's crazy.

But we do have one person that has

had a good tribute to Otis online.

It's our friend Nadine.

Love it.

Lauren Bonanti is back.

I always love when she shows up because

it's always going to be fun.

It's always going to be funny with a

dry wit, with the crazy props.

So it's going to be something ridiculous

and also an accent.

Her accent will always be fun.

Exactly.

Nadine says, well,

I didn't make that tribute to Otis before

we all found out how terrible he was.

And I was like, oh,

so you didn't know before?

And she's like, well, yeah,

I knew he was terrible, but, you know,

I didn't.

You're not supposed to say that when

people die, you know.

And you have to always post your pictures

with them for self-promotion when people

die.

That's what you just do here in Hollywood.

In Hollywood in New York.

Yeah.

exactly exactly in this in the scene you

know in the in the industry yeah and

nadine a nadine appearance will never be

complete without her promoting something

new and this time ridiculous and

ridiculous this time she has chow chow

Fragrances for dogs.

Oh, they perfume too, too.

So it's okay.

Fragrances for dogs.

Didn't think of that, but okay, cool.

That's gotta be a thing though, right?

There's gotta be perfumes for dogs.

I'm sure rich people have it,

but also I loved this whole conversation

because Elizabeth was like,

aren't dogs sensitive to smells?

I was like, yes, but it's like,

you know, you put on, like, an outfit.

The dog puts on an outfit when they

go out.

They're not naked.

Like, Gonzo is naked.

He was calling Gonzo something different.

She's like,

and we have to find someone for Gizmo.

It's like, it's Gonzo, actually.

It was so funny.

So I was just like,

so how come no one,

no one on the outside knew that Ellis

was a jerk?

Like what, what, what's that all about?

How did he get his reputation not put

out in the, in the.

Protected AKA defended him in the court of

public opinion.

I wonder who would do that, Jason,

who would do that?

Who would do that?

And so Nadia says, well, you know,

he probably was trading info for like,

you know, discretion.

So that's probably something he was doing.

Ellsworth says, you know, hey,

we heard that Otis was Pop Lunatic.

And it's like, you know,

that kind of makes sense because Pop

Lunatic has not posted on their social

media accounts since Otis has died.

So that kind of tracks.

And Nadine talks about the fact that, yo,

I heard he was so mean that he

once threw a shih tzu at an intern.

Oh, wow.

That's crazy.

And that apparently was an item on Pop

Lunatic.

And it was a blind item,

didn't name Otis outright.

So Elspeth says, huh, that's interesting.

Because it was a blind item that was

obviously about Otis.

So I go, why would Otis,

even a blind item,

why would Otis post that on his own

social medias?

That doesn't make any sense.

So Nadine apparently had been DMing Otis

before, somewhere around the attack.

So Ellsworth says, Nadine,

let me see your DMs to Otis.

So she looks at the DMs to Otis

and sees that Nadine's DMs to Otis had

been marked red.

See,

this is why you turn off read receipts,

people.

That's for multiple reasons,

but this is...

This is one of them.

We find out that Otis had read the

DM after he had died.

And Ellsworth, shockingly,

she can see this.

We saw that popped lunatic had read it.

after Otis was killed.

Yes.

And yeah, surprisingly,

Elizabeth can see this on Nadine's mini

phone.

Yes, yes, of course.

So yeah,

they were marked red after he died.

That means someone else had to access the

account of Pop Lunatic after Otis had

died.

So maybe the phone belongs to the person

that killed Otis.

at the same time we see betty opening

up a brand new phone inserting a sim

card into the phone also a vpn i

was like okay why is it a big

deal about the vpn

Well, it's good.

I don't know if anything was going to

come up that like Pop Lunatic was in

a different country or in a different time

zone or anything like that.

But I was also very surprised that Betty

knew what a VPN is and how to

work a VPN.

You're old.

How do you know what a VPN is?

What?

Okay.

So when we come back,

we're back in the precinct.

We're in the interrogation room with Buzz,

with Elsbeth,

and they are interrogating Lorena.

I love that Lorena still had her headscarf

on.

It was orange, obviously,

to go with the jumpsuit,

but I loved the attention to detail in

the scene.

Now,

I showed Lorena some pictures of some

current people.

Did you clock who these people were?

Bob Hope, I got.

Bob Hope's one of them.

Father, what's his name?

Father Detective.

You know, the guy,

the TV show guy that's in this universe.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

They showed her a picture of him.

And it's like, okay.

That's a very fun, like,

in-universe little joke.

So Lorena has no idea who these people

are.

They show her a picture of Bob Hope.

She's like, oh, that's Bob Hope.

So she really only knows old people.

And, you know, so Elsa's like, well,

obviously,

Lorena could not be pop lunatic because

she has no idea who the current stars

of today are.

And Elspeth says,

Pop Lunatic planted that phone to make

Otis look like Pop Lunatic, AKA Betty.

Like, Elspeth's like,

I'm trying to tell y'all,

been trying to tell y'all, it Betty.

Okay, it's Betty.

But Buzz is like, okay,

but what is Betty's motive?

It's like, hmm, that's a good question.

We gotta figure it out.

Who are we gonna go to to figure

out Betty's motive?

It's Teddy!

Teddy's back!

We got a Teddy break for a while.

I was actually happy to see Teddy back.

I was like, okay, good.

When they were trying to shove Teddy down

our throats for a minute, I was like,

okay, that's enough, Teddy.

Only problem is we also didn't see Roy.

I feel like Teddy has to come with

Roy on these episodes to make Teddy more

bearable, but okay.

He was fine this episode.

It looks like he is having some fashion

exploration as well.

Congrats to Teddy as well,

the actor that plays Teddy.

Nominated for a Tony.

Nominated for a Tony.

uh erica m our friends uh our email

friend buddy uh let us know uh the

actor that plays teddy ben levi ross was

nominated for ragtime for twenty twenty

six tony award congrats to go that's kind

of why he was gone i'm assuming also

yeah yeah probably

So Teddy's got all the scoop.

Teddy's like, all right.

One time I heard that Betty had tried

to reach a younger audience back in the

day,

but it didn't really work so well because

she has a reputation for, you know,

kind of talking about older celebrities.

That's kind of her beat.

And so it didn't really work out well.

So, you know,

she had to kind of scrap that and

find a different avenue to talk about

newer celebrities so that she can avoid.

And this also helps her avoid lawsuits if,

you know,

since she will be anonymous if she was

pop lunatic.

Mm hmm.

Grace comes in with a social media

account,

and this is footage of Otis being rude

to a service worker.

And this is the footage.

This is the scene we saw in the

beginning of the episode where Otis was

getting mad at some barista.

Something was stormed out and got into

Betty's car.

So we see that vantage point for that

person we saw filming earlier in the

episode.

Like, okay,

that's where all this connects.

And so Ellsworth and Grace see, okay,

he got into Betty's car.

So that's interesting.

Her car was very distinctive as we talked

about.

Had a vanity license plate and everything

about Juicy Scoop or something.

Yes.

Later,

Elizabeth is accompanying Nadine to some

sort of,

I think this was like a movie premiere

or something.

And Elizabeth is being classic Elizabeth,

getting caught on the red carpet,

doesn't know where to go,

doesn't know where to stand.

Everybody started to get out of the way.

She's just like being frantic on the red

carpet.

Connected to someone too,

like connected to someone stepped out of

her dress or something,

like she couldn't move.

You know,

when I talk about the fashion on this

show, you know it's got to be good.

Whatever Elspeth was wearing, I was like,

oh, that's real cute.

That's real.

That's cute, Elspeth.

That's real cute on you.

Oh, my gosh.

So Betty is also at this event.

She's interviewing some celebrities.

And, of course,

she has to run to Elspeth.

Betty says, hey, Elspeth,

can we get a comment from you about

Otis, you know,

being the one to be behind the pop

lunatic, you know, social media account?

I did enjoy this because the entire

episode,

Betty refers to Elspeth as Peoria because

at one point earlier in the episode,

Betty is like, you're not from New York,

are you?

And Elspeth replies, Peoria.

So in this conversation, she's like, hey,

Peoria, what do you think?

To call her over and then Elspeth brings

up the pop lunatic of it all.

I would also love to know what...

Tracy Oldman, what Tracy Oldman, like,

why am I blanking?

What she improv'd.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

And what she did, like,

was Peoria in the script,

or did she come up with Peoria?

Like, she's such an improv, like, legend.

I would love to know what she did

to change up the episode at all.

Yeah.

It definitely had a different feel to this

episode, for sure.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I would also see that like Carrie

Preston,

like they were reading each other in

scenes like as actors,

like it was just a little bit more

engaged.

Yeah.

And so, you know, Elizabeth's like, oh,

that's interesting why you're asking me

about Otis and Pop Lunatic.

I want to ask you about the footage

of Otis getting into your car.

Betty says, oh, oh, that, he was just,

you know,

he was a source for something different I

was doing.

And Betty goes, oh, look,

it's Alec and Hilaria Baldwin.

And she goes, you know,

she likes to speak Spanish.

Hilaria.

Hilaria.

How do you call it?

Broccoli?

Elizabeth then presses Betty a little bit

about what Otis wanted to talk to her

about, what we see the source on.

And Elizabeth's like, well, you know,

I don't think that Otis was actually

popular to tick.

What do you think about that, Betty?

Betty's like, I don't know.

And Elizabeth goes, you know,

whoever ran that account must have had

also some offline sources, not just DMs.

You know who else has offline sources,

Betty?

You have a lot of offline sources,

don't you?

Hmm.

They're just like, okay, bye, gotta go,

see ya.

It's like the movie's gonna start.

Yeah, bye.

And as Ellsworth is going back to meet

Nadine, just such a funny little moment.

Nadine is smelling the popcorn.

She's just like,

she's nose deep into the popcorn because

she can't eat the popcorn.

She's got to just smell it.

She's like,

I wish I could eat you so bad.

I just wouldn't smell you.

well there's that and then also like i

wonder if she's like i wonder what a

dog would smell like yeah it's just such

a good it's such a good character mode

with no dialogue at all it's just like

that's so great um and you know nadine

nadine warns elspeth like okay like you're

going up against betty you need to watch

out betty has a bad side she's going

she might come get you yeah so lo

and behold the next day elspeth shows up

in betty's column

trashing her,

trashing the new Commissioner Tully,

basically saying,

Elspeth's out here running wild,

harassing citizens.

She calls her a ditzy redhead out here

harassing citizens,

hired by the police organization.

What are you doing,

new Commissioner Tully?

Woo!

And, you know,

Elizabeth already has a reputation,

apparently,

for harassing people because she called

into Otis's show.

Because if you remember,

like a few episodes ago when they were

like reporting about Elizabeth and Alec

dating, they spelled Elizabeth's name.

She even said like, like,

what a callback to such a like, yeah,

crazy little moment that they like spelled

Elizabeth's name wrong.

So Elizabeth has a, you know,

reputation of hounding people and

bothering people.

uh so you know grace is explaining all

this to her she's like but listen i

gotta tell you i gotta tell you something

gotta tell you something and wouldn't you

know it commissioner tully is here this

reveal was so great because elspeth is

like rushing talking to grace like in the

hallway it was definitely like a walk and

talk elspeth's got all her bags and

everything and then he's like i gotta tell

you gotta tell you and um what's his

face wagner wagner

Wagner standing outside the door just

standing there and then he pops the door

open for the reveal of Tully and I

thought that was and it was it was

so good and Wagner's like he's kind of

got this this is what we have to

deal with right now kind of look at

his face of like I don't like this

either.

It was almost like a, you know,

I would have thought that, like,

would talk trash about Tully, but uh-oh,

he's right behind that door, isn't he?

Like, you know,

it was that type of situation.

Almost, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, but we see Tully going all, like,

mad stepdad on Wagner and Elizabeth is

like, I'm so...

mad and disappointed in both of you.

And Ellsworth's like,

you don't understand.

You don't get it.

Like, Betty is a bad guy.

She's doing all these things.

And of course,

because Tully is not used to being around

Ellsworth,

not used to Ellsworth shenanigans.

He's like, what are you talking about?

yeah and the way that it's shot it's

like he is like eighty feet tall and

then like Wagner and Elspeth are sitting

down in chairs also kind of on par

with maybe some press photos from the

recent US visit to China but they're so

tiny and Elspeth just keeps going yeah

until he's cutting her off maybe

like are you the intent detective on this

case she's like no but buzz is coming

around and tully's like charles what the

hell what what is this wagner for his

for his cause is like listen i i

get it i know it looks crazy i

know it looks weird but i trust else

with these things to the nth degree like

he's sticking up for ellsworth for sure

yeah yeah and

Tully,

who might kind of sound like me sometimes

on these episodes, is like,

she is here to make sure the department

does not get sued.

Why is she investigating things?

Why is she acting like a detective?

What is happening?

Like...

I like that the show acknowledges that,

of like, this is crazy.

Yeah, yeah.

It was also great because Tully was really

just kind of soft and like,

why are you doing this?

And then he got really loud at that

part of like,

what she investigating uh tully tells them

they need to fix things with betty or

else he's going to throw them to the

wolves because as a commissioner like it's

a political job as much as an

administrative job and so he needs to be

in you know the right light in the

press right

So Elizabeth shows back up at Betty's

door.

Betty's like, oh yeah,

I know what you're here for.

You're here to grovel.

I get it.

Everyone does it.

Everyone does it.

Elizabeth's like, well,

as a peace offering,

I brought you some chow chow, choo choo,

chow chow.

Some perfume de chow chow.

And Betty's like, well, okay,

this is great,

but I don't have a dog.

So why'd you bring this to me?

Elizabeth tells Betty, well, great news.

Lorraine, is this right?

Lorianne?

Lorianne, is that right?

Lorraine?

Lorraine.

Lorraine is being released.

That's great.

But the real news I have for you,

the real tea that I brought to you,

is that Pop Lunatic is going to carry

on.

It's going to keep going because Otis'

husband has agreed to carry Otis' torch of

Pop Lunatic.

That's true, love.

Even though Otis never told his husband he

was Pop Lunatic,

this was news to his husband,

the husband's going to continue the legacy

of Pop Lunatic.

But he's like, okay, interesting,

interesting.

Elizabeth asks Betty, you know,

how did you hear about me leaving this

voicemail for Otis' show about the

misspelling of my name?

Betty goes, oh, you know,

I have ears everywhere.

The thing is, Elizabeth,

everybody wants to talk.

People love to gossip.

You know,

everyone from Otis to Augusto Pinoche

wants validation from me.

Pinoche.

Pinoche.

Pinoche.

Augusto Pinochet.

You know who he is?

He's like a dictator from Chile.

Oh, he's a real guy?

A real guy.

I did not know that.

I did not know that at all.

And so Ellsworth,

upon hearing Augusto's name, is like, oh,

Augusto Pinochet, you say?

Augusto Pinocchio, you say?

Interesting.

Ellsworth makes that Ellsworth face like,

okay,

that's something I should be clocking.

was like you know gusto uh you know

i wouldn't i wouldn't assume he did

because he's more of a brutal autocrat

than him and he's a celebrity uh but

betty's like oh he's such a great he's

such a sweet guy though he's he's such

a good guy that's interesting i did not

know he was a real guy i thought

he's just a random person like a real

like and a dictator like bad bad they

thought of in this this thing

no but he he died in so just

fyi he's no longer with us but he

was alive longer than i thought he was

okay cool um so betty kicks out osmuth

as they all want to do get out

of get on my face

So Teddy and Nadine are in Elizabeth's

apartment and they are harassing poor

Gonzo trying to find the perfect scent for

Gonzo.

Meanwhile,

Elizabeth is busy researching Betty and

Augusto's history.

She's looking at all the stories having to

deal with Betty and Augusto where they

cross-reference or whatever.

And they find this information out that

Betty had received some trinkets from

Augusto from the bodies of leftist

gorillas captured by his men.

it's like you know what those guys carried

the same kind of guns that were used

to kill otis oh here we go but

you know unfortunately wagging around in

this moment to say

But Elizabeth,

you're going to need some actual proof.

And Elizabeth says, well,

I need to find more proof.

I need to do it without endangering

Wagner's job.

Because at this point, you know,

Tully has laid down the law.

So she doesn't want to get Wagner in

any more trouble.

And Nadine is starting to talk about,

you know, going on about her exes.

You know, all my exes used to call,

all the gossip columnists,

the scoop about me.

No matter if it was true or not,

they would always just believe anything

and print it.

Oh, hold on.

Eureka!

Ellsworth gets an idea.

So the next day, the next day,

we see a story in Betty's gossip column

about Alec Bloom, our mayor, the guy,

has been seen romantically linked with the

one and only Nadine.

It's like, oh, interesting.

Uh-oh.

Nadine?

Yeah, Nadine,

how could you do that to Elizabeth?

That's your friend.

How could you?

So we see this in Betty's gossip column.

And also we see the cops are at

Betty's apartment.

They are tearing the place inside and out

because we got a judge to sign off

on a warrant based on suspicions that you,

Betty, are pop lunatic.

Why do we think that you're pop lunatic,

Betty?

Because this whole Nadine and Alec story

was only sent to Pop Lunatic's DMs.

That's the only place that Tip was sent.

So you obviously had access to Pop

Lunatic's DMs,

meaning you are Pop Lunatic.

And it was funny because the story had

to do with Alec and Nadine.

at a bakery where nadine was eating a

croissant and elva goes nadine has not

eaten their croissants since so you should

have known this is not this is ridiculous

but it was that in like such a

lovingly like i know my friend like yeah

it's sort of wait not in a like

she hasn't even it was like it's like

nadine hasn't eaten a croissant since she

was so proud of her friend for that

And we find out from Buzz that while

we were searching all your electronics,

while we were going through all your

stuff,

we did find a draft of Otis' murder

column that you made before the murder

actually occurred.

So, come on.

We got you dead to rights, girl.

And I was like, yeah,

apparently the big secret that Otis

threatened Betty with was that she was Pop

Lunatic.

That was the big secret that he was

going to tell everybody about,

which I didn't clock and then put two

and two together.

I was like,

I should have figured that out by now,

I guess.

But I like they spelled it out.

That was a big secret.

So you solved two problems in one.

You got rid of Otis and the Pop

Lunatic secret,

but you also got rid of Pop Lunatic

because if Otis could find it,

anyone could find it.

And Benny goes, well,

at least I got on the front page

with you one last time.

Yeah.

Way to go, Betty.

Way to go.

Your legacy will remain.

You will continue to be the queen of

print.

And Elsmeth tells,

invites Wagner out for a croissant.

And Wagner goes,

I'm more of a beignet man myself.

He's like, I get it.

Also from Louisiana.

Yeah.

It was on Treme, you know.

Yeah.

Louisiana.

You get it.

In joke, in joke.

Okay.

So one little,

one other little story we got to talk

about.

You know,

we've been hearing throughout the season,

budget cuts are running rampant in the

precinct.

Everybody's got a piece of coffee.

And the first victim of a budget cut

is coffee.

Is coffee.

But all of a sudden,

we got a new coffee maker.

A nice fancy one.

It's like a pod.

And so Connor, who by the way,

Connor still exists.

yeah yeah he's there like still we don't

know i don't know he's just kind of

there he's there i don't mind him he

was a bigger part last time he was

here but he's kind of here to help

things along yeah so they go oh

we got a new coffee maker also there's

other like improvements going on right

here we've gotten things fixed like what's

going on here why why is this happening

wagner is sus like why are they making

things better that's not normal he's like

this is all part of tully's grand plan

and connor's like to improve things his

grand plan make things better ed wagner's

like yeah

exactly that's not normal like that's

weird uh the patriarchy doesn't make

things better that's not what they usually

do weird yeah more capitalism yeah you

really gotta question those things so and

tully tully shows up at the precinct and

wagner's like hey so see you've done some

some cool stuff like thank you

Until he's like, oh,

you think that I had something to do

with the new improvements?

No.

No, actually.

This is the good old Mayor Bloom.

Alec wants to make sure he's appearing

fair and honest.

He doesn't want to make it look like

he's punishing Elsbeth's precinct.

Making sure that things are working well

around here because it doesn't look like

he's being improper.

first of all just a little scene note

this does take place in an elevator so

it's an important conversation again with

the elevators yeah um but also um i

don't know if you caught this when you

were watching

captions i think as well as i did

and there was tully says his honor and

what the closed caption put it together

was like is there oh i did not

catch that is there alec

Yeah.

And so Tully's like, you know,

that's one way of doing things is using

discretionary funds to, you know,

either reward or punish people.

He's like, and you know what?

You're actually about to find out that I

can punish people in great ways with some

discretionary funds.

And guess what?

First thing I'm going to do,

I'm taking away your pod refills, bruh.

They're gone.

No more.

You got a great coffee maker,

but no pods to make them.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So it's like a little mean.

This is the beginning of Tully taking his

pound of flesh for this is indirect

response to the whole like Betty stuff.

Yes.

And you're close to the end of the

episode.

As you know, after Betty gets arrested,

Tully and Wagner meet up again.

Atlanta goes, hey, everything worked out,

right?

Tully's like, yeah,

but you just got to keep kind of

a tighter grip on your team here.

Tully's like, hey,

can I drop you somewhere?

Because they're both on the way out.

Wagner's like, no,

I just got to run a quick errand

real quick.

Wagner comes back to the precinct.

He got pods, guys.

He got pods.

But he does say to Tully, he's like,

I have to keep my...

I don't mind walking.

I don't mind keeping my feet on the

ground like a police officer doing the

work.

As Tully's like,

let me drop you somewhere.

It's a perk of the job.

He's saying,

I'm still a real one to Tully.

But yes, he did go to,

I don't know,

the corner shop to get some pods.

That's great that you said that, Wagner,

but let's not forget you wanted to be

the police commissioner.

Yeah, but he would walk.

Did you see?

I mean, I don't know.

I know I don't live in New York,

but I really do have a lot of

envy, not envy,

jealousy for the people of New York and

their mayor because their mayor's doing

stuff, Mayor Mamdani, and he walks.

He walks to and from work and talks

to the people.

And I feel as though Wagner would be

one of the people who would walk to

and from work.

He walks to and from work with a

Secret Service detail.

That's fine.

Yeah, I know.

But it's not dropping people in a car.

You know what I mean?

True.

He's stopping and talking to people.

That's something.

That's what's up.

So, yes,

Wagner has decided to buy the office some

of the pods, you know,

to keep morale high, I guess.

And Connor, of course,

has to be the wet blanket on everything.

He's like, you know,

if you keep doing that,

it's going to get pretty expensive.

Wagner's like, all right, Connor.

Like, thanks.

Cool.

This episode did end with, like,

almost a classic sitcom, like, ending of,

like, the camera, like,

panning to a different part.

Yeah, it was really interesting.

It was like, all right.

yeah thanks connor being as always uh yeah

so that was our episode um what do

you think what do you think is gonna

happen like what is gonna be our like

how can you ask me such a question

cliffhanger-y like oh my god we gotta wait

until next season to see how this is

gonna get resolved

It'll probably be whether Elizabeth is

going to be in her capacity or not.

Yeah, I could definitely see that.

I could see it being like,

is Elizabeth going to be able to keep

her job?

Like, yes, she will.

I could definitely see because they're

coming back for another season.

I could definitely see a situation where

like, Ellsworth, you are fired.

And then we come back in season four

and like Ellsworth is undercover helping

all the detectives.

Like she just,

she still shows up at crime scenes.

Like, like,

She's behind police tape like, hey,

Smollett, go look over there.

Or acting charades out trying to do

something.

I would love to also see a world

where, and we've talked about this before,

but where Elspeth has to either defend

herself or someone needs to defend Elspeth

in the court of law.

So if this is a Elspeth gets fired

and has to defend herself in front of

a judge or

Or someone who has been name-dropped

before, like Diane Lockhart.

Or if Marissa decides to be a lawyer,

trying to get someone from the old world

to come to the new world would be

fun for me.

If that's an outcome of a cliffhanger,

I would enjoy it.

Yeah, for sure.

For sure.

I would love to see that.

You know,

they got to leave us with something.

Would it be great if they were just

like, by the way,

Kai is back full time and she's your

new partner.

Oh my God.

I think that, yeah.

It'd be a nice little surprise at the

end of the season.

Not necessarily a cliffhanger,

but like a good sign of things to

come.

But yes, that's probably wishful thinking.

Anyway, that's our episode.

Marissa,

you want to tell the good people where

they can find you and what you're up

to?

Sure, sure.

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