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twelve we the juries i'm one of your

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So let's get into this great episode.

I mean, it was really great.

It might be a little over.

Okay.

It was really good.

I really was trying to think about this

episode because there's a lot that's

happening in here.

It took me a long time to figure

out how to explain this episode to all

of you.

because there's just so much going on.

And also,

I think what the show is doing with

the arc so far of the season is

really interesting because we started with

the great schism, right?

We've got Alicia on one side and Will

on the other.

And every episode,

they've kind of been inching

closer,

but not in the way they used to

be.

I think it's interesting because as we

move along,

it's like in the beginning of the season,

Will could not be in the same room

with Alicia and not want to either rip

her clothes off or do some bad stuff

to her.

There would be scowls between each other.

Now they're getting a little more used to

being around each other and can at least

tolerate and have civil conversation with

each other.

but they still have their moments.

We'll talk about it.

Okay, so just to set this up,

I wanted to kind of bring us out

of the story for a minute to kind

of set up what's going on because there's

a lot of moving pieces.

On the prosecution side for our case of

the week, we've got our heavy hitters.

We've got Matan.

We've got Geneva.

They are on the case.

They are here arguing against a case

against two people who were accused of

smuggling drugs in from Rio de Janeiro.

a man named howard a woman named darla

now what makes this interesting none other

than the fact that we love to see

matan and geneva teaming up that was crazy

i was like oh my gosh look at

these two like teaming up like god i

loved it it was so great it was

so great um

But Howard and Darla were LG clients

together before the schism,

before the split.

And now Howard is being represented by

Floric Agos and Darla is being represented

by LG.

I don't know how this came up.

I'd love to know how this came to

be.

Was it just like, all right,

we'll split this case?

Or was it like, Howard's like, well,

I like Alicia.

Yeah, I don't know.

I like Will.

It's like, okay, well,

we'll just split the baby.

Yeah, I don't know how that happened.

But it makes for a very crowded courtroom

already before the trial even starts.

The defense bench has many people at it.

um this is a have this is a

heavy hitter case you've got uh matan and

geneva on one side you've got like the

main the heavy hitters from both sides of

florida ghost and lockhart garden you got

diane and will you got carrie and alicia

like wow yeah it's called for everybody

And the issue before the court at this

moment is are Howard and Darla going to

be tried together or are they going to

be tried separately?

Matan is arguing they both did it.

So why don't we just, you know,

have one trial for both of them?

Well, and Alicia,

because they are arguing for their

client's best interests are saying,

why don't we have this as separate cases?

And then we get the judge reveal for

this episode of,

who comes in and says, hey,

my problem with this is that it wasn't

done in a timely fashion.

This request was not done in a timely

fashion.

And I'm like, oh, time, timely fashion.

Like all of the times I've seen you

on TV, Mr. Judge man, Mr. You know,

I know him.

You know him.

Jason, tell us who this judge is.

this is victor garber y'all victor effing

garber freaking jack bristow in my notes

papa alias titanic canadian jack mf and

bristow like the one of the biggest

baddest daddies of them all of tv history

like i think if you did like a

baddest tv daddy countdown

Jack Bristow's in there, like, he's in,

like, top fifteen.

Gotta be.

Like, he was the man in the day.

Like,

you remember when they revealed Damien?

And we were like,

why are they making this big reveal for

Damien?

Like, this judge reveal where they, like,

panned up, it was like,

y'all ain't gonna believe this.

It's so good.

Y'all ain't gonna believe it.

Y'all ain't gonna believe it.

Oh, it's Victor Garber, y'all!

I was like, oh my god,

it's Victor Garber!

Victor Garber, yeah, like,

i think most honestly most people will

won't know from aliens well if not only

from the alias side of things uh but

he was in one of the most popular

movies of the night or the titanic uh

tough tough admission alert you've never

watched titanic never watched titanic oh

my god we're adding that to the list

goodwill hunting and titanic you have not

watched

Oh, boy.

I miss all the classics.

Was Victor Garber a big part of Titanic?

I'm just going to let that sit with

the people for a minute.

Yes, he was.

He was the man who built the show.

That makes sense.

I also know Victor Garber from the comic

book TV show world.

He was a big part of the show

Legends of Tomorrow.

It was a DC property.

Also from The Slap.

Remember The Slap, guys?

Remember how crazy that was?

I did not watch The Slap.

The Slap was a show about

It was a takeoff of a British show

from the BBC as well.

Makes sense.

Where there was this, like,

the whole premise centers around there's

this party, this neighborhood party,

and at the party,

one of the parents slaps another child.

Like, a child's not their child, as, like,

a form of discipline.

Oh, boy.

Slaps the child.

And that takes the whole thing.

Like,

that's the whole premise of the show,

is the aftermath of that event.

It's Thanksgiving, but not.

Power slap.

You ever seen that?

It's like a power competition.

How hard can you slap another person?

Can the other person survive your slap?

Oh, boy.

Not surprising.

I think the guy that does UFC,

Dana White, is head of that.

Of course.

But apparently he was part of that show,

too.

But Victor Garber is the man, for sure.

Yes.

Yeah.

And he's so funny in this episode because

he's like, okay, you know,

you are entitled to your own individual,

you know, trials.

So I'm going to abide by that.

However...

I believe in judicial efficiency.

So what we're going to do is we're

going to have different trials in the same

courtroom.

Okay, sounds like a great idea.

This is fantastic.

Meanwhile, Howard and Darla are just like,

oh, Shmoopy, I love you so much.

Oh, Shmoopy, I love you so much.

They're really showing the entire court

how much they love each other.

So after this decision,

Carrie greets Alicia,

because it was just Alicia in court.

Carrie greets Alicia back at Flor Gagos.

And he's like, man,

I just heard this is going to be

tough.

And she's like, what?

the double jury or going up or being

on the same team as Will because we

have seen Will and Alicia, like I said,

oppose each other,

but we have not had to see them

be on the same team and also oppose

each other.

It's just so funny how blatant this season

is where it's just like, I don't know,

like every episode is just a different

configuration of what could happen with

Will and Alicia and Lockhart, Garner,

Fork, I don't know.

we're you're shameless about it we're just

gonna like we're just gonna show you

different ways they could fight against

each other with each other like in all

different permeations it's great i love it

i love it so much yeah uh carrie's

giving us what we want yeah yeah carrie's

like don't worry i'm gonna first chair and

alicia's like i got this like don't even

why why why do you need to first

think

I'm not worried about you.

I'm worried about Will.

And Alicia's like, yeah, okay.

Good job, Carrie.

Good job, Carrie.

Way to manage that.

Because, you know, it was like, oh, yeah,

Alicia, it's about Will.

Alicia, you're good.

Like, I know you're good, Alicia.

It's about this Joker over here, Will.

Like, I don't trust that guy.

That guy's going to get real emotional.

It's not about you at all.

I love how he handled that.

Like, okay, good job, Carrie.

Which even sets up the next scene even

better because now we are at jury

selection.

Again, we are looking at two juries.

Voir dire.

Voir dire.

Yeah.

we're at that and Diane walks in and

Carrie's like first chair she's like yep

and so like if we go back to

like the origins of this entire like

foursome right like Carrie and Diane

Carrie are the team and then Will and

Alicia are kind of the you know team

and so it kind of just shows how

similar they still are because Diane I'm

sure a similar conversation went on over

there of like I'll first chair and Will

be like I got it

He's like, oh yeah, no, not for you,

but for Alicia.

Carrie's like,

you had to put your baby in a

corner?

Yeah,

I had to put my baby in a

corner.

I know what you're dealing with, girl.

I'm doing the same thing on my side.

Exactly.

So here we do see a number of

short scenes of the juries getting

selected and questioned.

The questions are basically like,

do you believe in an argument that a

man should settle this?

Or do you think that a woman should

settle this?

Going back and forth,

trying to position them to see who they

would favor.

Well,

and Carrie has an interesting moment here.

Carrie, ultra passionate in this moment.

Carrie goes,

do you think a woman can use her

looks to manipulate men?

Like, for example,

let's just say that there was this woman

that you may or may not have been

banging for a while, right?

And you guys are about to go to

different companies, right?

And she like, and this woman,

because y'all were having fun,

she decides to come ask you some stuff,

right?

And you think you could trust her, right?

You think you could tell her some

pertinent stuff,

some sensitive information, right?

And do you think that women whose names

start with K specifically could be doing

this?

Now, let's say this woman, random person,

also happens to always wear some cute

little leather vest and some cute little

leather skirts.

Do you think that should be allowed to

be manipulated against me?

I mean, against men?

Do you think that's fair?

It was so funny because it was like,

I imagine that

I would love if a director came out

was like, yeah,

we we took that take regular and then

we use what we knew about the character

to make even better.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Hey, hey, Matt, Matt Zuckery,

for this take,

be a little more passionate because you're

Carrie.

You're thinking about Colinda right now.

yeah exactly exactly and i think like it

was fun to kind of see the questions

going back and forth we do get the

delineation of the box jury and the

folding chair jury so that's that gets set

up during the scene as well we also

get a very exasperated geneva of like oh

my god they can't do like i'm so

over this and then in the next scene

she's like hey matan look at them look

at them

they're fighting like like it's it's fun

to watch that like progression because

they're they're busy watching uh lgaf yeah

get tripped all over themselves and at one

point like they're over there fighting and

matan trying to object and genius like no

no no sit down stupid like let them

not yet let them destroy themselves like

they're gonna they're gonna take care of

everything we need for themselves by the

infighting yeah i love the geneva's one

o'clock down like you idiot like sit down

At this point, Will,

they walk out of the voir dire.

And Will's like, hey, Kalinda,

I need you to go find out stuff

about Howard because I'm pretty sure

they're going to come after us.

And meanwhile,

Robin goes up to both Carrie and Alicia

and is like, hey,

I heard some news about the Paisley group.

We might be able to take them away

from Lockhart Gardner because they're

feeling ignored by them.

And Alicia's like,

Okay, cool.

Great.

And also go find out stuff about Darla

because I'm pretty sure Kalinda is going

to be on us about Howard.

So both teams are like playing nice,

but they're also really kind of setting up

to go after each other.

So as you had mentioned,

Carrie was using his real life experience

in court to question jurors.

And then outside of court,

Kalinda catches up with him and is trying

to apologize in this way.

And Carrie's pissed because like you said,

he was like really passionate about it.

So it's all still very fresh in his

mind.

And Kalinda's like, I want to apologize.

And he's like, for what?

as like things ending poorly between us

it's like okay great you apologize

forgiven goodbye and i love how at the

end of this to your colinda's like you're

being a douche like what are you why

are you being bro just get over it

man jesus like i don't know what to

tell you colinda things are busy like i

don't have time for this

And so this is interesting in a number

of ways, right?

Because, first of all,

the timing is interesting because Will

just told Kalinda,

get dirt on the other side's person.

So, like, we have to question.

Yeah, we have to question.

Is this Kalinda being genuine or is this

Kalinda, like,

trying to bait Carrie back in to, like,

get information about his car?

And I'm sure Carrie's tracking that on his

site, too.

Yeah, of course.

this happened as people were, like,

leaving the courtroom.

Like,

you know who else was in that courtroom

with Carrie?

Alicia.

You know who wasn't in that scene?

Alicia.

Because Alicia and Kalinda are not allowed

to be within fifteen feet of each other.

I do have to say, like,

when this scene happened,

I did notice that,

and I did say to myself,

oh my god,

it's just so nice to see Kalinda and

Carrie back together.

Like, at least we're not, like, not, like,

they're not back together, back together,

but, like,

At least they're not away from each other

as much.

At least Carrie is not, you know,

forbidden from seeing Kalinda, right?

Like, at least it's not, like,

a terrible custody situation where, like,

you know,

Kalinda cannot see Carrie because Carrie

is connected to Alicia.

Yeah.

yeah so uh papa alias the judge goes

and tells the juries okay here's the deal

we got the juries you're not supposed to

talk to each other you're focused on your

own cases we're doing this you know

expeditiously we're going to have cramped

quarters and if you need anything just

raise your hand

of course one side is like why do

we have to sit in the folding chairs

and they're in the box and so this

is adding like just another element to

this trial that is going to have to

be managed by the judge because like okay

well i guess we could uh alternate between

different seating between the chairs and

uh the box and the folding chairs

I really like that Jack Bristow,

who they gave us the name of the

judge, but I don't care.

I love that Jack Bristow was thinking he

was doing something about being like,

I want to make you all do two

juries at the same time.

How about that?

But it really kind of backfires on him

because by the end of this,

he's just so exasperated.

He's just like,

why did I ever do this?

Why did I do this?

The first person on the stand is Officer

Sorrento.

And he's being questioned by the

prosecution.

And he says,

we started profiling them because they

didn't look like an organic couple coming

off the train.

And so, like, in my brain...

I'm like, organic how?

Like, you expected them to look Brazilian?

Like, is this racial profiling?

What's going on?

But no, they were talking about, like,

an organic in love couple.

They just didn't seem...

Because he's a professor.

He's, like, the nerdy professor.

And she's, like,

this bombshell of a woman.

And so she's like,

how could these two people ever fall in

love?

Oh, my gosh.

Also, Howard was profusely sweating.

And Darla kept looking down at her feet.

So this is, like...

This is what gives the police enough to

go and search...

the luggage they find two pounds of

cocaine on Howard and Diane's like you

know yeah okay they were sweating and

looking down at their feet like this could

have just been new love nerves you know

like this didn't have to be anything big

and you know just because the drugs were

in Howard's carry on why did you arrest

Darla but officers like because Darla had

thirty thousand dollars worth of cash on

her so we've got a lot of

Lots going on.

And like, we find out like, like,

this is not a couple that's been together

for a while.

This is a couple that met that week

on vacation.

And like,

he decided to invite her back to his

house, like in America.

So he's like, Hey,

why don't you just hop on a plane

and come back to my house with me

to America?

It's like, okay.

And yeah, like come to find out,

like they were sweating and all that

because they had Coke and thirty thousand

dollars on them.

What the hell we're all about to be

doing?

What was what was going on?

What is like we never really find out.

Just we have no clue.

So those details aren't really going to

matter.

What's going to matter is the back and

forth between the different firms.

Because it turns into because we're all

supposed to be on the same side, guys.

But of course,

it turns into infighting where it turns

into, you know,

they're trying to get their jury onto

their sides.

They're just like they're trying to throw

the other person under the bus.

Yes, exactly.

So Diane takes the first shot, right?

Like she's like, if, if, um,

couldn't it be seen that Darla just worked

a word scheme?

Like she uses the word scheme.

Carrie's like objection.

And, um,

Diane's like okay yeah yeah I'll rephrase

and says something completely different

okay why so basically you're saying that

you don't have any evidence that Darla my

client had any access to Howard their

client's bag and the officer's like yeah

that is what I'm saying and Carrie's like

okay Alicia they're coming after us let's

go Diane's like jury if it was not

her bag

She must not have been bad.

Hey!

Johnny Cocker does that motherfucker.

Yeah, I was...

I got it.

I got it.

I got it.

I got it.

So it's Alicia's turn to question the

officer.

And she starts off by saying,

you said it was the bag, right?

Yes.

This bag was in possession of Howard the

entire time.

So he's like, yeah, it was the bag.

And Alicia's like, well,

they just fell in love.

Why don't you think that he was carrying

her bag?

And the bag had no tag on it.

So what's going on with the bag?

And then Alicia says, oh, hey, hey, Diane,

did you say scheme?

Well,

Howard just could have been Darla's mark.

And so then Diane objects and carries

like, you can't object.

We're on the same team.

And he's like, you just objected.

And he's like, yeah, that was a mistake.

Like, that was not my fault.

The judge is dumb.

It's a stage or objection.

We shouldn't have been objecting.

I should have been objecting.

Like, not my fault.

Like dissolves into arguing.

Robin goes to question the flight

attendant from the flight at her house.

And she's like going through all of her

stuff.

And the flight attendant is saying,

you know,

I already told the prosecution everything.

Like,

don't they share information with you?

did you recognize i did not recognize the

flight attendant jason did you recognize

her i recognize the flight attendant and

for those of you out there that watch

hallmark hallmark movies you definitely

recognize this woman this woman is in like

fifty bajillion eleven thousand hallmark

movies she is like one of the hallmark

it girls is ashley williams um i recognize

ashley williams from like

being just in sitcom land, sitcom area,

she was on the Jim Gaffigan show.

I didn't really watch that show a lot,

but she was like,

if one of the stars in sitcom needed

a date for an episode,

it was Ashley Williams.

That's who Ashley Williams was in the

sitcom world.

So she's here.

And so if you're a Hallmark movie fan,

you were geeking out as much as I

was geeking out about Jack Bristol.

You're like, oh my God,

it's Ashley Williams, it's Hallmark girl.

Heavy hitters from different realms.

Yeah, for sure.

We're all getting our stars here from our

different areas.

So Robin is questioning her and saying,

like, I mean, like, yeah,

I know you talked to the prosecution,

but I'm just like digging a little bit

further.

Did Darla drink too much?

Like just goes right into it.

Like, no, I think that's really weird,

except for that bathroom thing.

and robin's like yeah yeah yeah bathroom

thing what bathroom thing and um the

flight attendant says well you know like

the mile high club thing like that's what

happens in bathrooms you know and then you

hear it knock knock knock and it's kalinda

on the other side of the door so

she's she's following up um just right

after robin in court the juries are like

now robin

arguing about the size of their jury rooms

and so Jack Bristow is like okay fine

we will alternate those two we put the

flight attendant on the stand Matan is the

first to question her and we find out

it was a full flight there wasn't enough

carry-on space and she told Howard that

he's going to have to stow his bag

a few rows away from him Howard was

not happy I gotta say I don't blame

Howard I hate this I hate this whole

thing I hate the whole carry-on cover like

thing i hate the bag like if a

bag cannot be by me this is why

i miss the days of just checking luggage

without having to pay eighty gazillion

dollars uh i'm on team howard at this

point because yeah don't move my bag

Bro, I'm hella paranoid when I go travel.

I think everybody's a criminal.

I don't racially or culturally profile.

I think everybody's a criminal.

I think if my bag is out of

my sight,

someone's going to go through my bag and

take my stuff.

I don't care who you are.

I don't care what you look like.

I don't care if you're a man,

a woman, black, a white, whatever.

You're a thief.

Everyone's a thief.

I cannot leave my bag out of my

sight.

It's not happening.

So yeah,

I'd be freaking out too if I was

hired.

Not only because I have like, you know,

three hundred thousand dollars or a

hundred thousand dollars worth of drugs in

my bag.

I don't want my stuff taken.

yeah exactly exactly and then it's also a

matter of like i'm gonna forget where it

is and i mean and also are people

gonna let me like especially if it's

stored behind me how am i getting my

bag behind me when people are getting off

the plane like i don't want to deal

with that i don't want to deal with

that anywho twenty six b tried to move

howard's bag and howard shouted something

out uh matan is asking what exactly did

he shout alicia objects hearsay will

objects

Will objects to Alicia's objection,

saying that the Darla jury, like,

shouldn't hear this testimony.

Well,

Alicia says the Darla jury should not hear

this.

Yes, that's right.

And Will's like, no,

the Darla jury needs to hear this,

so we cannot be, like,

excusing the Darla jury.

So they excuse Howard's jury from the room

because Alicia said that Howard's jury

shouldn't hear this.

Some of this is going to get a

little lost in the weeds because there was

a lot going on.

Howard's jury cannot hear it.

So the judge removes Howard's jury and we

learn he said, let go of my bag.

And then Matan says,

did Miss Riggs intervene?

to which Alicia objects, well,

Howard's jury should definitely be able to

hear this.

And Diane said,

you just said that was hearsay.

And Carrie said, well,

what was said was hearsay,

but not the instance in which the things

were said.

And so then Alicia looks at Will and

says, what's the matter with you?

What's going on?

And Harris, the bailiff,

lets the other jury in at this point.

Oh man, so good.

It is now Carrie's turn to question the

flight attendant and he says,

did you see Darla in the vicinity of

the business lavatories?

Lavatories is the only time I hear the

word lavatory is on a plane.

I never hear it here.

I don't know if it's specifically because

it's on a plane,

but I'd ever hear like,

I'm going to go to the laboratory in

my own on the ground world.

For the longest time,

people think laboratory.

And I was like,

that's an interesting way to talk about

the bathroom is mixing up some shit in

there.

So obviously Carrie's setting up this

whole Mile High Club thing.

And what was surprising was the fact that

Carrie said, okay,

so did you see Darla go into the

lavatory with this woman?

I was not expecting this.

I thought it was Darla and Howard in

the Mile High Club.

Yeah, I was about to.

I had no idea what was going on

here.

Geneva objects here for relevance.

Carrie saying that Darla is faking her

love, you know,

for Howard based on this encounter.

So Jack Bristow allows for it.

And they're like,

how long was it in there for?

Fifteen minutes.

And when she came out,

she was adjusting her skirt.

That's a ton.

Decides, OK,

we got to approach the bench here because.

We want Darla's jury out of the room

at this point.

And so they take Darla's jury out of

the room.

Questioning continues.

Why do two people go into a laboratory

on a plane?

Diane then tries to build the case that

the flight attendant was jealous of

Darla's life, which came out of nowhere.

yeah and then they were they present this

as oh you know that darla had uh

had lost a button or something and she

was asking this other woman for a clip

to help you know fasten her skirt that's

what they were doing in the bathroom not

you know not having fun they were they

were adjusting

clothing i was like okay cool this is

where matan objects and then geneva holds

him back and then they want both juries

in and harris the bailiff is like i

am so over this and then matan objects

again and he's like okay for what and

matan's like i don't know anymore man like

i'm so lost

And he's trying to like,

he's trying to do too much.

And she was like, yo, chill.

It's so funny.

So they take a little break and we

find out that there is an offer from

the prosecution for six years each for

each person for Darla and for Howard.

And there's a conversation about, okay,

but we're in this together.

What are our chances of beating this?

And both lawyers agree or both sides agree

that,

that the best shot is if Howard's jury

thinks that he's sympathetic because he's

a nerd and he could have been like

taken by Darla and then Darla's jury

thinks that she's Howard's pawn so

basically we have to prove like show that

you two don't love each other for the

sympathy vote for both of y'all yeah yeah

and while this is happening

will and alicia both see two jurors from

opposite juries talking to each other in

the corner and will walks away towards

from what i could see towards the jurors

that's what i thought was happening yeah

but so they both see it later that

night carrie meets up with kalinda at a

bar kalinda's like offers to buy a drink

and carrie's like i already have a drink

it's like

i gave you five minutes don't waste them

and colin's like i miss you he's like

oh you miss me so much what did

you do to me i thought you were

my friend just like i kept your secret

that's why you're my friend i can't carry

goes what secret like uh hello i i

kept the secret that you were leaving our

law firm for like three months like what

do you mean what secret you forgot already

my guy

and she does say like i can't endanger

my job for you bro like this is

this is not what and he's like okay

fine you said your you said your piece

we could go and the bartender at this

point spills the drink on carrie

marissa i'm gonna raise my hand like is

this yes yes would you yes folding

treasury how can i help you i told

marissa before the episode i said there's

a super secret cameo that you probably

didn't notice i did not notice who's the

bartender i didn't notice either until i

looked it up on imdb and the name

caught my eye i was like oh i

was like wait a minute who is it

bartender was cara patterson

Okay.

You're going to have to help me.

A.K.A.

Kaya from Elsbeth.

No freaking way.

Yes.

Yes.

Oh, that's amazing.

And so when I saw that,

I was like, wait a minute.

So I had to go back to the

scene.

I was like,

let me make sure that she wasn't like

miscredited or something.

And it's a very young Kaya.

I was like, oh, my God.

We don't see her very much.

She like pushes the drink and then like

cleans up.

Oh, that's so cool.

I literally had to pause it and be

like, oh my God, that is Kaya.

That's so cool.

For those of you that are on the

Ellsworth journey with us,

that was quite a moment.

Oh my God.

She was in this universe before she was

in this universe.

That's so cool.

That's awesome.

Thank you.

Before the pod, everyone,

I have a super secret cameo for you.

I'm not going to tell you.

I'll tell you on the show.

Oh my God.

think they were like who can we get

to be like this like ultra pivotal role

again why the show is about us

yeah it's like hey you remember that you

remember that bartender in season five

episode twelve she was only in the scene

for like two seconds but boy the way

she spilled that drink was just genius

let's get her to play like it really

did the job carrie's like don't worry

don't worry i got it i got it

and he leaves and i could not believe

he left his phone behind first of all

he's such a nerd with this background i

got like the biggest nerd ever

being the logo for the law firm so

nerdy but it's always good to see the

old school iphone on this show i was

like oh you remember remember when because

i never had one because i've always been

a green bubble very oh yeah i forgot

you're a loser i forgot about that no

no i am evolved and in the future

as opposed to yeah i've been able to

change my icons for over a decade

any who's any who's he leaves his iphone

and kalinda is kalinda's kalinda so she

sees that a text message comes through she

sees that it's from robin she sees that

it's about the paisley group and she's

like okay

let me turn it over I'm not going

to do it I'm not going to do

it and then she's like but I'm Kalinda

so she turns it over and the text

message says CEO James Paisley arrested

for solicitation with H.

Elliot LG doesn't know so Kalinda's like

okay I have this information now that's

all we see at this point

Next day in court,

we've got arguments about stinky Thai food

being left in the jury room the night

before.

And the judge is like,

anything else to address?

Geneva says no.

Will says no.

Alicia hesitates, but also says no.

Because they have not revealed that the

jurors are talking to each other.

I think Alicia's trying to see what we're

going to do.

Yeah,

Alicia's trying to be on the same team

even though she's not.

She's like, alright,

I guess we keep it quiet.

That's what we're doing.

So we've got Abel,

the doorman from the resort in Rio.

I was like, oh my god,

they flew this dude all the way here

from Rio for this thing.

That's amazing.

he's showing some security footage and

it's Mr.

Carzola meeting with the defendants in the

lobby of the hotel.

And who is this guy?

He's like, oh, he's a drug dealer.

Everyone knows he's a drug dealer.

And Carrie's like, yeah,

everyone knows he's a drug dealer.

And also a scuba excursionist.

And also all of this stuff.

And he's like, and those are our front.

I'm like,

basically this is the Lamont Bishop of

That's exactly what I was about to say,

Marissa.

We're here with it.

We're at a mind meld at this point.

And Kara's like,

isn't it also true that Darla made a

scuba appointment the day before?

And only Darla went on that scuba

excursion.

And Will's like, sidebar, sidebar.

So they approach the bench, and Will says,

I'm making a request for limiting

instructions because the jury needs to

know, like,

which jury needs to know what to pay

attention to which.

to which jack bristow is like it is

like herding cats he's sick of these

people

He pushes them away.

And as they're leaving the bench,

Diane says to Alicia,

it's better if we work together.

And Alicia says, tell that to Will.

Sassy.

At this point,

Will gets a text from Kalinda about the

Paisley group.

And so he's like,

I got to go take care of this.

Diane's like, go.

And Jack Bristow instructs Darla's jury to

disregard the entire cross,

the whole entire setup that Carrie just

did about Darla being the scuba

excursionist.

like so you want me to just literally

forget the last ten minutes of my life

I never understand that I know I mean

like I guess you could probably prove in

a like what's it called when they redo

it a retrial a mistrial appeal if they

appeal if they appeal we talk about a

law show every week guys didn't you

already didn't you know

feel they could maybe prove that something

was used in the decision but like I

never understand how someone's supposed to

like forget but I'd be like nope I'm

not I remember it it's in my memory

I'm not gonna forget it like if someone's

just like it's like show me like some

hard ass proof that someone did this and

they were like oh you can't use that

evidence your honor they'd be like all

right well y'all forget what you just saw

like no yeah my mind's made up now

sorry yeah yeah

So Will does go meet with the CEO

of the Paisley Group, who I screamed,

not screamed, but I was like, ah,

it's Tom Skerritt!

Because it's Tom Skerritt, everyone.

Tom Skerritt, for me, Picket Fences,

for some reason,

was always on in my family's house.

And then also Steel Magnolias,

The Father and Steel Magnolias,

a titular film of my upbringing,

which I'm sure Jason has also not seen.

No, I've not seen it.

Tom Skerritt has totally passed me by.

I was like, who is this guy?

He was also in Top Gun.

But anyway,

he is the CEO of the Paisley Group.

And he's like, look, I'm happy.

I'm happy.

Did I tell you that I'm not happy?

I'm happy.

I'm so happy.

I am happy.

Was there a guy that they called when

they were splitting up and he was at

a big bank of computer monitors because he

was going to go with them,

but then David Lee called him and told

him not to?

I don't remember.

It was some older white guy,

so it might be a different older white

guy.

Maybe, but he's like, I'm so happy.

To which should have been a sign to

Will to shut up, but he did not.

he's like yeah okay well here's the thing

we know about haley elliott and you know

your relations with her and he's like oh

you mean by the fact that i am

related to her and she is my granddaughter

and she's in a wheelchair with hopkins and

will's like

I think I was misinformed.

He's like, yeah, you were.

And wouldn't you know it, at that moment,

Carrie August and Ashley Kutcher come out

from around the block.

You got pumped.

But it was great because when asked, well,

Will asks Kalinda, like,

what was that about?

And Kalinda smirks, like, Carrie.

Like,

she knew that she got played and she

missed that, like,

back and forth that they would have

between each other.

Yeah.

Beckincourt carries on the phone with the

Paisley group, setting up a meeting,

and Alicia's on the phone with Marilyn,

which we will talk about in a bit.

It is now time for Will to question

Abel, the doorman of the resort,

and he's establishing the fact that

Carzola, the drug dealer,

only speaks Portuguese, and only Howard,

not Darla, speaks Portuguese.

So...

Alicia calls for a sidebar,

and she's like, hey,

this is the same thing that Will wanted

limiting instructions for before,

so we now request limiting instructions

for this.

And Jack Bristow is like, I'm over it.

I'm over this.

I'm over it.

I'm tired of these games.

We're going to finish this trial,

and if you want to appeal at the

end of it, knock yourself out.

I'm just going to get through this,

and then you can deal with it.

And Alicia keeps pushing.

She's like, Judge,

I don't think that's really wise of you.

He's like, girl, I just said...

Well, yeah, yes, exactly.

And Carrie's helping her out and saying,

like, I think what Alicia wants is, like,

an explanation about what's going on.

And Alicia then requests time in chambers.

And Jack Bristow's like,

you're on thin ice.

And she says, yeah, I know,

but I've been holding something that I

need to talk to you about.

Yeah,

Alicia decides it's time to hit the

nuclear button.

It's time to hit the self-destruct.

Boom, we're done.

We're in a bad way.

I need to blow this thing up.

so she goes into chambers it's her and

will and jack bristow and she says we

saw two jurors talking to each other and

he's like what jack bristow is like why

are you sitting why did you sit on

this and she's like context i needed to

know like what was happening and um

bristow was like well well will like did

you see this as well mr gardner

I was like,

when do we get transported to France?

Because you're talking about all this we

stuff.

I don't know what you're talking about,

y'all.

I don't know what we is.

I was like, oh my God.

He said no, everyone.

He said no.

He said no.

He straight up lied.

He lied in a court of law.

To the judge.

To Jack Bristow.

No one lies to Jack Bristow.

Do you understand?

Do you understand the power that he has

and the random ancient codes he has access

to?

Do you even get it?

We have videotape evidence of what Jack

Bristow does to people that lie to Jack

Bristow.

It's not good, y'all.

It's not a good time.

You don't want to F with Jack Bristow.

Number one,

you don't want to F with Sidney Bristow.

Number two, that gets you Jack Bristow.

You don't want Jack Bristow.

Do not lie to Jack Bristow, Will.

Also, though,

if we want to go on the Marissa's

Television Crushes,

Michael Vartan from that show.

Oh, yeah.

Also very good.

Yeah.

Anywho.

Poor Michael Vartan.

Where is Michael Vartan?

Michael Vartan was like that guy.

He was everywhere.

He was so good.

He was in the movie with Jennifer Lopez.

And then he's just like,

where is Michael Vartan now?

I'm telling you, that was... Anyway.

Brandon Cooper was the only person I was

allowed to get famous for that show.

Anyway.

We'll straight up lie.

He straight up lies.

He says no.

And then, Jason, and then he says,

if Mrs. Florek is accusing me of lying,

I'm sure she can corroborate this.

Alicia's like, I can't.

I must have been thinking about something

else.

She's like, bet.

What the frick?

I was so mad at Will.

I was so, so mad at Will.

So mad at Will.

This is Will going off the deep end.

Will is officially... He is flipped.

The heel has turned.

He's playing dirty now.

I'm just about to straight up F the

oath of my job and just like,

I don't care.

I'm a liar.

I'm a liar.

as they say it is no boy boy

no boy boy surely no boy boy no

boy boy colinda stops by carrie's and

she's like hey nice nice job there with

paisley group and she's like so we're even

it's like yeah i guess we're even and

carrie's like trying to close the door

like every five seconds like trying to

close the door in this conversation and

she's like so let's let's go get a

drink

It's like, we're not friends anymore.

He's like, no,

let's get a drink because I want a

drink.

And he's like,

this is not a good idea.

Not a good idea.

He closed the door and then opens the

door and walks out of it to go

apparently have a drink with her.

So who knows where that's going to end

back up.

But I'll take it.

I'll take it.

Yeah.

I did like that they were able to

both kind of laugh at it and be

like, gotcha.

She's like, yeah, you did.

You got me good.

You got me good.

Yeah.

So back in court, we have Belfair, Mr.

Belfair,

the head of security of the resort on

the stand.

And he has brought footage of a hallway

conversation that happened with Carzola

at...

a door of one of their suites between

howard darla and carzola and there's an

exchange of an envelope um and matana is

establishing that carzola wasn't staying

at the hotel so someone would have to

have given him a key to use the

elevator to get up to the floor and

also he has no idea what is in

the envelope but he can make some

assumptions while this is going on robin

is creepily

staring in the back of the courtroom

watching this the security footage and

she's like i noticed something carzola's

wearing a honey honey bar shirt and the

flight attendant had a honey bar hat on

so therefore we could argue that they're

connected in some in some way boy that's

a that's a huge stretch yeah

But like Alicia and Carrie are like, yeah,

that's so great.

Also, it's so good.

Should we tell them?

Should we not tell them?

What should we do with this information?

So it's enough to get flight attendant

lady back on the stand.

And Will is establishing the fact that she

has been in drug treatment for narcotics

and

For like four months of her life.

And she's also been cured,

which we know happens with addiction.

You just get cured of things.

She also was in a lot of credit

card debt.

Basically,

he's establishing the fact that she.

was vulnerable and close to narcotics.

And then Alicia establishes the fact that

because she's a flight attendant,

she has the ability to bypass security

specifically in the Rio airport.

And at this point, the judge,

Judge Jack Bristow instructs the jury to

disregard Alicia's whole setup about the

fact that basically the flight attendant

was

Planted the drugs because she has access

to narcotics.

She has a way to bypass security.

And Alicia says this.

She's like, so you planted it.

And then she looks behind at Will and

is like, yeah, I just did that.

They're like, oh, baby.

Oh, baby.

You get me hot, girl.

You get me hot.

You bring me back to the day.

It's like an alley-oop.

Will sets it up.

Alicia dunks it home.

The judge is like, Miss Fork,

you're out of line.

Alicia's like, no, you're out of line.

Yeah, it was very much like that.

But that look,

she looks behind her shoulder.

And he's like, I see you.

I see you.

respect game respect game maybe game

respect game so it must have been like

a coordinated effort to be like i'm gonna

bring it up and you're gonna take it

and they're like they can work together

like they just did it anyway all we

had to do was frame this probably uh

innocent flight attendant probably

I'm going to yada yada through the end

of the entire thing.

It's worth a yada yada.

So they wait for the jury to come

back.

Darla's jury comes back first.

Fines are not guilty.

Howard's jury is asking for more

information.

This kind of gets Howard into kind of

a little bit of a frenzy.

Like,

what are we going to do with this?

At the end of the day,

Howard ends up taking a plea for four

years with hope that he'll get out in

two years.

Darla says, hey, I'll wait for you.

And we also do see that the two

jurors that were talking end up walking

out holding hands.

So they were also in love in this

situation.

They're not crooked.

They're just gay.

How about that?

Not great.

Not great, Jason.

Not great.

Why is it not great?

It's great.

They're gay.

It's great they're gay, but don't say,

yeah.

We don't want to equate.

They're just gay.

We thought they were crooked.

We thought they were shenanigans.

No, they were just gay.

that's true that's not bad all right so

that is the trial anything else from your

side of things that was fun i mean

it's another it's another configuration of

like how how can we get will and

alicia and diane and carrie together but

this time they're not working against each

other this time they've learned how to

work with each other isn't that crazy guys

it's kind of like i'm like

it's gonna sound bad not bad but it's

like they've been inching closer and

closer together like they're gonna be on

top of each other at some point sometime

pretty soon yeah but anyway okay also

during this episode we had some movement

in the peter stole the election stuff

So we have Eli and Marilyn like having

to tell Peter about this tape.

We find out that Eli got a two

week delay from it running in the press.

They talk about the fact that Jim,

it's Jim Moody on the tape.

Marilyn is like,

Okay, that's it.

Stop talking.

I can't hear anymore because if I hear

anymore,

I'm going to have to testify about it.

You're going to have to testify about it.

We're going to have to talk to the

feds.

Stop talking.

And Eli's like,

what do we have to worry about?

We had a lawyer argue in court that

this box was stuffed with ballots for

Kristeva.

And Marilyn's like, which lawyer was that?

And he's like...

Alicia.

Yeah, it was Alicia.

Which is like,

you probably shouldn't have had Alicia

argue for you in the first place.

Probably not.

You probably should have seen that coming

anyway.

Probably not.

This is way too much.

Everybody shut the hell up.

Everybody disperse.

And of course,

as peter and eli do to maryland all

the time whatever maryland says this is

what we have to do peter especially just

like no we're not exactly yeah which is

why uh maryland's story is the story of

all women when surrounded by powerful men

but anywho uh

Also, Eli says in this episode,

and I think we'll continue to say for

the rest of his life,

that they won by eight points.

So what the heck does it matter about

these thirty thousand votes?

But anywho,

Peter and Eli want to talk without

Marilyn.

Marilyn's like, oh, that's a good idea.

I don't think that's a good idea.

Run on to the kitchen, Marilyn.

Go ahead.

Well, if I want to govern,

I need to be able to talk to

my chief of staff without you, blah, blah,

blah.

Okay.

All right.

Yeah, sure.

And so Peter and Eli are trying to

figure out who leaked this.

And he's like, was it Jim?

And Eli says this,

which he says again in this episode a

couple of times.

He says, no, he's a good soldier.

He gets it.

It wasn't Jim.

And he's like, okay, well,

then was it Lockhart Gardner?

Like, who knew about the tape?

And he's like, well,

Will did come to my suite on election

night and tell me about this tape.

But do we think it could be Diane

because of the judgeship?

I was like, no,

this doesn't sound like Diane,

but Will could be out of his mind.

Yes.

Will could definitely be out of his mind.

will definitely out his damn mind as we

have seen the past episodes yes so marilyn

starts her investigation she has to

question eli on the record and so she's

walking through like all of the procedural

questions is this jim moody eli says as

far as i can tell yeah it looks

like him did you order him to do

this or did you hint at him doing

anything illegal and eli's like

We're going to have to stop that

recording.

We're going to stop that real quick.

I'm just going to hit pause on that.

Hit pause.

I'm going to pause.

Because what do you mean?

Can we define the definition?

Can we define illegal?

Yeah.

What do you mean?

What language could I have used and not

used that would not get me in trouble?

He's like, the question is too broad.

I make so many decisions a day,

even more in a campaign.

What I like to do is like,

I give direction and people use their

creativity in accomplishing that

direction.

And I'm like, oh my God,

you're digging such a hole.

You're digging such a hole here, Eli.

And Merlin's like, okay.

what direction did you give him?

He's like, you know, I said, you know,

we're down in the twelfth precinct and we

needed to get out the vote.

And Marilyn's like,

there's no nothing wrong with saying you

needed to get out the vote.

And Eli says, well,

There's a chance.

I could have said we needed to do

whatever we could,

but that's just how I am.

You know, I, he says, you know,

he's in trouble when he says these

ridiculous things.

He says,

I'm an absolutist when it comes to

encouraging my underlings.

Oh boy.

He's ready to be up on the stand.

He's like,

I need to get my trial words ready.

Yeah, it's so bad.

And it's like, okay,

will Jim back you up in any of

this?

And Hila's like, I don't know.

So we see the scene between Eli and

Jim.

They meet up at a diner.

It's very hush hush.

Very like mobby.

Yeah.

And Jim says,

I heard you say we're taking the gloves

off.

That's what I heard you say.

And he was like, okay,

but I didn't know you were going to

do this.

Jim goes,

I could write a book with the stuff

you didn't know that I was going to

do on this thing.

And I was like, oh,

I could write a book.

Huh?

Interesting.

Interesting.

That usually happens after an election.

Someone would write a book.

True.

And at the end of this, Eli's like,

okay, so where are you taking this?

And Chip's like,

I'm taking this wherever you want me to

take this.

And Eli's like,

that's a little convenient.

Like, are you taping this?

Like, what?

It's surprising.

Like, we told her, like,

rip his shirt apart.

Like, are you running a wire?

And Jim's like,

I could get three years for election

fraud.

Why would I do that?

And Eli says,

because you are a good soldier.

This is the line that gets so many

people in trouble, I think,

in actual court cases,

because soldiers take orders.

Good soldiers aren't making decisions.

So they are just following orders.

So if you're the one giving the order,

Eli,

having a good soldier is not

necessarily...

an argument you want to be making.

But Jim's like,

I could get three years or I could

get less if I testify.

And it's like, yeah, okay.

But if you testify,

you're going to have no friends.

And right now you have friends,

you're friends with the governor.

Chip's like a lot of good that's given

me right now.

and he was like okay okay well it

stops here and i wasn't here right and

jim doesn't say anything and he gets up

what do you think here jason what

obviously something's a little fishy but

what is happening in in your mind if

you don't remember it because i don't

remember what do you mean he's like like

what is jim's angle like is he is

he writing a book is he oh no

i'm wearing a wire like the vibe i

get from jim

The vibe I get from Jim is he's

down to do a bid.

If you need a bid done,

Jim will do it.

Jim will take that three years.

He'll be like, I'll keep my mouth shut.

Like he said, I'm a good soldier.

I'm going to keep my mouth shut.

I'm going to go down with the ship.

Listen, Jim.

This is your fault in the first place.

You should have checked video cameras.

You should have got caught.

This is your fault.

You need to go down with the ship.

I think if Moody needs to do some

jail time,

he's got to do some jail time.

He seems like a tough guy.

Seems like he's probably already been in

jail.

He's like, ah, I was there.

Wasn't that bad.

I'll go back.

So, we'll see what happens with that.

I mean, I also think that Jim,

if not promised a future,

can leverage the situation.

Oh, yeah.

I mean,

Jim's going to leverage this with...

With Peter,

or if Peter doesn't come through,

he'll leverage it on the other side.

Against Peter, yeah.

Right.

But I think what Moody wants to do

is be with Peter and his side.

Like, he is a good soldier.

But, you know,

we gotta have some good GI benefits.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

It's gotta be worth it.

Right.

OK,

now it is time for Alicia to be

questioned by Marilyn.

And I just want to set this in

the context of when it came during the

trial,

because we've separated this out for

discussion.

But Alicia is being questioned by Marilyn

right after Will lied to the judge about

not seeing the jurors.

So Alicia is asked, like,

have you seen this video before?

No, I haven't seen it.

Do you know anything about it?

No, I don't.

And she's like, I want to remind you,

Marilyn,

I went to court to delegitimize these

votes.

So it doesn't really matter whose votes

they were.

I was making sure they did not get

counted.

And Marilyn keeps asking her questions.

And Alicia is a little upset.

She's like,

I've answered everything I could.

I'm in the middle of a trial.

I'm going to go.

She gets up.

She walks out.

She hesitates by the elevators.

And we see her go into Peter's office.

And we, includes Marilyn,

very pregnant Marilyn,

who is making her way down the hall

following Alicia into Peter's office.

Alicia goes into Peter's office.

says uh can you leave the room please

i need the room peter's like oh yeah

we're in trouble guys everyone leave the

room like yeah yep we're all leaving the

room guys and he's like no not you

you stay like i'm here because maryland

he's like uh i'm sorry about that she

goes do you know anything did you know

anything about the video his response

I didn't know anything about the existence

of the video until yesterday.

Lie.

That's a lie.

Liar, liar, pants on fire.

In Peter's defense,

he didn't know what Will was going to

show him.

He didn't know if it was a video

or a photo that Will was going to

show him on that laptop.

So, Yana, in a court of law,

I think we're coming.

He did know it was something that had

to do with the election.

But he did not know there was a

video, okay?

He did not know it was a video.

Did he?

I don't think he did.

Will's like, I got something here.

I got something here.

I got some bad news for you here.

Do you want to see it or you

don't want to see it?

I mean, listen, if I had more time,

I would have watched it.

But I didn't do that.

But I forgot what exactly Will said.

We'll get into that also down the line

here.

But I don't know if he was like,

I got something bad up for you,

my guy.

Do you want to see it or you

don't want to see it?

I don't know if he said,

I got a video.

I don't know if he mentioned a video.

So I think if

We gotta check the tape.

But Peter's like,

I didn't know it was a video.

You didn't ask me if I knew anything

existed.

You asked me about the specific video.

I didn't know the specific video.

I think that the whole point is how

hard it is to remember something,

but at the same time,

Not only did Alicia get lied to by

Will,

she got lied to by Peter in the

same day.

And also,

if Peter wanted to be transparent,

he would say to Alicia.

Yes.

Yes.

But he did not.

This is probably what Will was going to

try and give me,

but I didn't take it.

And also, he would have said that earlier.

He would not have waited until now for

it to happen.

Your little boyfriend,

he tried to come in here.

Because, you know,

you got to put that little dig in

there, too.

Like, you know,

you remember your little boyfriend, Will?

Yeah.

Well, and he's like, I didn't ask,

or I wouldn't have,

if I knew about this,

I wouldn't have asked you to delegitimize

these votes.

And Alicia's like, you didn't ask me.

Eli asked me.

It wasn't you.

And she's like, Zach, our son?

Like, do you remember him?

Oh, I thought you meant Zach.

Zach Brown.

Zach from Survivor?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Zach, our son testified.

I'm glad you clarified our son.

Thanks.

Testified in a court of law about this

and he's going to have to testify in

front of the feds unless you fix this.

Tell me you will fix it.

Fix it!

Fix it!

And Peter's just kind of like,

I'm going to fix it.

Yeah, I'm going to fix it.

Don't give me the dust there.

I'll fix it.

I'll do it.

I'll fix it.

I think if Peter wasn't already like,

under pressure to fix this he's not going

to go to the ends of the earth

to fix this oh yeah yeah yeah yeah

this is because of alicia alicia has put

like a thousand times more pressure on him

because well yes and her pressure comes

from the fact like i really think it's

interesting that she needed

she just in that moment she felt she

didn't have a man she could count on

because will's already lied to her so

she's like okay peter peter you have to

be the fixer you have to be the

person i don't have will anymore it is

completely clear to me that will is

willing to lie in court for himself and

not help me even though they ended up

helping each other in the end but he

he did that to me the next thing

you see her do is run to peter

and say fix it i just think that's

a really interesting thing to track yeah

uh okay so we've got alicia questioned now

it is time to question will and uh

will is coming in this is after i

think after it

after the lying as well,

but also like towards the end of the

trial, he was asked, so you were Mr.

Florek's attorney.

Like I was one of a number of

attorneys assigned to Mr. Florek.

Okay.

Did you become aware of the video?

And Will's like, Marilyn,

what are you doing here?

Like, this is not a grand jury trial.

This is just an ethics investigation.

And Marilyn's like, yeah.

And Eli told me you would cooperate with

the, with me.

Is it clear why Marilyn knows that Will

knows about the video?

No.

I have no idea how he knows.

Unless Peter said something.

Maybe.

I feel like they would have left Marilyn

out of the loop on that one.

I don't know how Marilyn figured that out.

Unless she was just going to any other

lawyer that was attached to this.

I don't know.

He's like, yes, I knew about it.

Did you tell Peter?

His answer is no.

And she says, no, you didn't tell him.

He's like, no,

I can't tell you because that was a

privileged conversation.

And at this point,

Marilyn is like Jack Bristow in court.

She is done.

She is like, come with me.

Come with me, please.

Marilyn, who I try to remember.

I mean, obviously,

because Melissa George was on Alias.

Yeah, yeah.

Marilyn and Jack Bristow have crossed

paths.

They didn't cross paths on this show,

but yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then we see this walk.

Okay, so

She gets up.

She storms out.

Will stands up, adjusts his suit,

gets himself ready, walks down,

because this is the first time he's really

seen Peter after he confronted him about

this video.

This is the next time he's seen.

So they walk down.

Marilyn's like, hey, hi.

Hi, boss.

How's it going?

I want you to waive your privilege so

that I can get an answer from Will.

And Peter's like,

what is the scope of your request?

And I love anything.

I need to know everything.

Any and every.

I love the way they set this scene

up with Peter just chilling in his office

reading a newspaper.

Marilyn comes in and he's like, hey,

Marilyn, what's up, girl?

He looks up and he's like, oh,

this MFR.

What's he doing here?

What's this guy?

What's this chump want?

What's up, chump?

The look on his face as he realizes

Will's in the room.

He's like, oh, William, you're here.

yeah yeah and she's like uh okay like

let me talk to will first before like

before this and again maryland is like

again with this again with this again with

this this is not a good idea not

a good idea at all like i want

to talk to someone who is my lawyer

do you get that she's like yeah got

it loud and clear loud and clear

This is like a shady AAF, bro.

Shady AAF.

Can't do this.

Can't be doing this.

And so he asks Will, Peter,

the honorable governor of the state of

Illinois, says,

if I were to waive my privilege,

what would you say?

And Will says,

I would say that there was a video

that I wanted you to see.

And Peter's like, that I refused to see.

Like, yeah.

And Will's like,

and I would also say that I told

you that those thirty thousand votes were

fraudulent.

And Peter's like, you would say that?

I don't remember you saying that.

Did you say that?

I don't think you said that, my guy.

I don't think you said that.

And Will's like, interesting, interesting.

Like, I don't remember you saying, like,

how you took back Diane's judgeship.

And Peter's like, what, no?

And what now?

Oh, okay.

All right.

Like, that's cool.

Okay.

That's how you're going to do this.

Okay.

All right.

And Will's point is politicians

conveniently forget things all the time.

I can play that game too.

And then he's like,

and you would really do that.

Like, what would you say to me?

He's like,

what could I tell the most ethical

administration of the state of Illinois?

and so like what do you want me

to do and and peter starts bringing in

the personal here he starts trying to do

some stuff and will is just like what

do you want me to do as your

lawyer what do you want me to do

and peter does not answer him he goes

pulls marilyn back out from the hallway

into the office and says marilyn i am

instructing will to not waive my privilege

and marilyn's like are you sure that's a

good idea and he's he yells very

declaratively

Yes.

William Archibald Gardner has officially

run out of Fs to give.

He don't give no more.

He is out of them.

I think the moment...

That happened was when he lied to the

judge for... I mean, it's been happening,

but the fact...

He's been running out of Fs for a

long time,

ever since he almost tipped that desk over

when found Alicia.

The Fs have been spilling out of his

pockets.

I mean, the fact that he's going...

over everyone's heads and hiring Damien.

The fact that he's opening up offices is

not any real oversight.

He is just like,

you go through his pockets,

he got no Fs there.

You go look at his glove compartment,

no Fs to be found there.

Look at his trunk, no Fs.

There's no Fs in this man's life at

all.

He is...

done.

He's at war with every and everything.

It was great to see.

I love it.

It's so fun, but also so bad.

So bad.

So bad and so good, though.

And I don't think...

that a will peter scene has ever let

us down oh no no no no and

there's such a good job about keeping them

apart for so long and then like really

bringing us together it's like that one

time when they confronted each other on

the steps of the courthouse when when

alicia was with will at that point and

like all of this stuff it's always been

so as much as much as i disdain

chris noth

I do enjoy this scene.

Yes.

Okay.

Last thing is Marilyn's report is

inconclusive.

At the end of the day,

she writes this entire report.

And again,

just to remind myself and everyone,

the entire point of having an ethics

person on your team is to say, hey,

I have someone looking at these things and

they've written a report and they've

looked at it.

Like, I'm ahead of you, press.

I'm ahead of you, lawyers.

I'm ahead of you on all of this

stuff because I have this person looking

at all of this stuff.

And this person for Peter has basically

said,

I can't tell who's right in this

situation.

And Eli is pissed.

He's like,

we made everyone available to you.

And she's like,

and they answered no questions, Eli.

Like they did not give me the information

that I needed.

Specifically Will Gardner.

yes yeah and he's like she says my

report will will be inconclusive until i

have the governor's full and unconditional

cooperation which has been her request

from the beginning i like she's like i'm

not going to do this unless i have

your full and unconditional cooperation

and eli's like but we won by eight

points

And Marilyn's like, none of that matters.

Peter's in real trouble and he's in

trouble for one reason.

And that reason is Will Gardner.

And then Eli takes the report and throws

it out the door.

after Marilyn walks out of it.

He yells, damn it!

Yes.

That line of like,

Peter's in trouble for one reason,

Will Gardner.

It's like, ooh.

You just made Will have a little bit

of the goosebumps.

He's like, ooh,

I like how that sounds if Will Gardner

ever heard that.

Ooh, I love that.

It's like a perfume commercial.

One reason by Will Gardner.

Yeah.

I'm sure Will is at home,

just sitting back, drinking something.

I really just hope he's not with that...

lady friend.

I haven't seen her in a minute,

so I don't know what's happening with

that.

I'm okay with that.

I'm okay with that,

and I also was okay with no Damien

this episode.

Oh, totally.

Totally.

That was great.

I was surprised if Will was defending this

couple.

Also, by the way,

can I get more of that stuff?

Did you sell it all?

Or, I got a guy.

You need a guy?

I got a guy.

I be skiing a lot.

I do some skiing.

I love skiing in the ample hills of

Illinois.

The flattest land there ever was.

It's winter all year round right here,

baby.

You know what I'm saying?

We'd be skiing all the time.

It's snow everywhere.

If you need to connect in the States,

you let me know.

Probably not as good as the stuff in

Rio, but we got good snow.

Not Rio snow, but we got good snow.

it's it's actually snows here so we know

snow yeah anyway so that was our episode

i it was it was a complicated it

was very dense but it was very fun

um i just hope the next one is

not more intricate but this one i hope

the next one kind of blows some things

up um obviously we've got a we've got

an angry alicia um

we've got carrie and kalinda being

friendly with each other so that'll be

some fun stuff and then we've also got

whatever fallout's gonna happen with like

alicia and will are gonna have to have

a conversation at some point a

conversation and or confrontation and or

elevator meeting in the future because it

is just building up and building up to

a point where it's gonna have to give

Yeah.

In one way or another.

Really, really vital,

important things happening soon.

Did you watch ahead?

I didn't watch ahead.

Again.

I didn't watch ahead, but...

You can see behind your eyes and remember

ahead.

Yeah, I can see into the future.

Oh, boy.

Oh, boy.

If you know, you know.

Guys, gird your loins.

It's getting good.

It's getting good.

Get ready.

So, Marissa, yes, as you said,

that's our episode.

You want to tell the good folks so

they can find you online and what you're

talking about,

what you're up to right now.

yeah everything's at it's me marissa g.com

we've got links to this show links to

whirlwind podcasts where i'm talking about

pretty little liars one previously on at a

time links to the us a sisterhood where

my sister and i are very slowly watching

star trek the next generation for the very

first time everything's over there jason

what where can people find you outside of

courtroom

You can get me talking about mess.

As much as Will is out of Fs,

I am full of mess.

Messes come out of my ears,

come out of my pockets.

It's everywhere.

If you want to hear me talk about

the show Marauder First Sight,

you can check that out on the Perfect

Match Podcast with me and Asia Welch.

We are on Patreon right now,

revisiting some older seasons.

We are revisiting season twelve.

We also have seasons eleven, ten,

and one in the vault for you.

When you come over to Patreon,

we've got a whole slew of shows for

you to check out.

So check that out on Patreon.

And also check me, Asia,

and Kirsten McInnes out on the Rob Has

Podcast Network talking about the show.

Talking about the show, perfect match.

Not my podcast, a perfect match.

But the TV show, perfect match.

What is like a mess Olympics over there

with several different people from several

different shows coming on to suck face and

see what kind of trouble they get into.

uh yeah that's it for me is it

for marissa g and uh i'm gonna actually

continue the lyrics of tricky trick from

last episode uh pick back up well no

no no

Go for it.

You know what?

I'm just saying that I control when the

podcast ends.

You can do whatever.

I'll save it for this time.

Maybe we'll get that as a reward for

like, sixty reviews,

then I'll finish Tricky Trick.

Oh, there you go.

That's good.

If we get sixty reviews,

I will make a separate video on YouTube

of Jason singing

tricky trick just fyi the uh the promises

of marissa guards do not reflect the

promises of jason reed uh you can sing

it on the episode and i'll just put

it together uh maybe we'll uh but until

next time you guys stay good