welcome to the good pop we're talking to

good wife season five episode fourteen a

few words i'm one of your hosts jason

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They're watching.

I know that we do a good job

usually.

That's our norm.

That's our typical.

It is the good pod, Jason.

Yeah.

We need to do way better than we

okay okay did you say that like the

livelihood of the pod rests on i mean

i'm not i don't want to get i

don't want to get too in your head

about it marissa but let me just say

we need to do a really good job

on this podcast okay yeah we're going to

rename this pod the really good pod for

this episode and this episode only um

welcome to the really good pod um uh

here we are uh

Fantastic episode, I thought.

A flashback episode is always a fun,

interesting episode.

It really gives some new and different

insight into the show.

Yeah, this is the closest I think, Jason,

you're going to get so far without that,

like, as of this moment to a prequel.

Unfortunately, it is all from, like,

one side, but I feel not all.

I would say ninety five percent from one

side.

But it was really creative how they, like,

interspersed all of these flashbacks and

did all of this stuff.

So and again,

I'm just so glad we were not in

a.

courtroom battle type of situation it was

kind of nice to kind of just take

a break and be with these characters for

a bit it felt much more like a

regular like not regular but more of a

prestige drama type of instance where like

we're taking we're not we're not we're not

hemmed in by like by a specific parameter

like we have to do a court case

um like a normal formulaic tv show it's

just like we're going to spend more time

with these people outside of the norm that

you're used to

So it was good.

It was good to see that.

It was in another ways.

We got a lot of language in this

one, too.

Oh, yeah.

Very true.

Very true.

For the network television language.

Yes.

The B word was used.

Mothers cover your children's ears.

um the b word was used um before

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So yeah, with that out of the way,

Marissa, let's dive into it.

Let's get into the biz.

All right.

Well,

I'm going to set us up just a

little bit with the structure of this

episode.

The way we're going to cover this is

a little,

we're not going to go straight from start

to finish.

We're going to talk a little bit about

the flashbacks and then we'll go through

the episode and reference those flashbacks

because I think there is a story to

tell within the flashbacks as a whole.

And there's also...

a story to tell in when those flashbacks

came in.

So we're going to do our best to

kind of do both at the same time.

But the general gist for this episode is

that everyone, everyone,

like everyone is in New York City for

the American Bar Association Conference.

And at the same time, Alicia,

it has been given the privilege of giving

the keynote to

uh address to where she's speaking about

uh being an opt-out mom like opting out

of the workforce and coming back into the

workforce and this is causing her to have

a lot of reflection on her career and

how she got to where she where she

was um jason thoughts on the the premise

of the episode before we get into the

nitty gritty details

That was great.

I thought it was I feel like it

would be it's a kind of a real

world situation of like this lady has done

the impossible, really.

She went from not being in the workforce

at all to four years later.

She's now the partner in her own firm.

I think that would be like, you know,

important to be like, OK,

we want to hear how she did.

Let's get let's give her the keynote

address.

I thought it was a good premise to

start the episode on.

Yeah, I have a lot.

It's very interesting for me watching this

episode with twenty twenty six eyes versus

twenty eleven or twenty wherever we are.

Fourteen eyes,

because I think if this were a keynote,

this.

uh this year started to face and talk

about like what support she had to get

back in and what support she had to

get back out and seeing that it wasn't

just like one person's job but we'll talk

about as we go through so at the

beginning of this episode carrie carrie is

reading alicia's speech

She's very nervous about it.

She said she spent like two weeks on

it.

Again,

the premise here is that she is an

opt-out mom.

Harry is like, he reads it.

And Alicia's nervous about it.

He reads it.

He's like, okay.

You never really want to hear that when

someone's reviewing your work.

But he thinks it's dry.

He's like,

this is not exactly like storytelling that

I thought I'd hear.

You have a compelling story, Alicia.

Why aren't you like kind of dry?

You're going to need to rewrite it.

Yeah, it sounds like she's kind of like,

you know, going by the numbers, you know,

maybe being like too factual with her

story, too impersonal.

Maybe I think what Carrie's trying to get

at, you know,

we want to hear what your thoughts and

what your viewpoint was.

This is not really a viewpoint type of

speech that I'm reading right now.

We want to hear your story,

what it's about.

And let's talk about Carrie's support of

Alicia during the speech writing process.

I mean,

he has a lot invested in this as

well because of everything.

This is a very high-profile opportunity

for Alicia Florek.

She's got her own firm now,

which has his name attached to it.

So I feel like Carrie was being a

really good friend here by saying, hey,

this is dry.

You have stories to tell.

They don't want to hear facts and figures.

They want to hear your story.

But at the same time, he's also like,

you better...

better do this yeah and he's like doing

everything he can he like tries to protect

her time he's like you you go to

your room you just you just go up

there you write i'm gonna take care of

everything which we will talk about

everything that he's up to but like i'm

gonna take care of everything downstairs

you just go upstairs to your room and

you write well while i run the show

Yeah,

I don't think there's any real difference

of what he would have done if he

wasn't as invested in opposed to like if

a friend just wanted you to like,

you know,

go over their speech and give you some

notes.

But I do I do think there is

an extra level of investment for him.

So he just he is he's also he's.

He's also nervous about the speech.

I think if maybe you were just a

friend coming to me and be like, hey,

can you read over my speech?

I had no investment.

I'd give you some notes and some pointers,

but I'd probably leave it at that.

I'd be like, all right,

I'm going to give you all the time

in the world to do this because this

is important not just to you,

but to me.

So let's make sure that you got it.

I don't think Carrie's being underhanded

at all.

No, no, no, no.

It's just a multifaceted support, right?

Like there's just like a lot,

there's a lot at stake here.

And the fact that Alicia is one,

not really feeling vulnerable enough to

tell her story at the beginning has kind

of carry on his like, okay,

I got to do everything that I can

to make sure that she can get the

story out because this is what we need.

This is what we have to do.

So let's talk through some of the

flashbacks.

She is then at one point to her

hotel room to, you know, write.

And she's having,

she's definitely in writer's block.

She says to herself,

just write anything down.

she writes the word anything anything uh

listen i i wrote that down on message

board uh this time because it's like you

know sometimes i get that when i have

to write on this little message board

every week for the for the podcast episode

for those of you that are not watching

on youtube you miss out on my on

my message boards back here uh it's like

secret messages i can relate i can relate

i'm like sometimes i'm just stuck i can't

figure out you know sometimes i work with

marissa like marissa what should i write

on my message board this week

And so it's like, so I was like,

it's stuck.

I was like, this is perfect.

I'll just write anything.

Cause you know, that that's it.

It's real writer's block is real.

I have only like one or two words,

Alicia stuck on the whole speech.

Yeah.

So her, she gets flashed back to herself.

Here we get the full use of the

wig department at the The Good Wife

universe.

And we see younger Alicia meeting with a

woman named Lorraine Joy.

And she's like, so like, oh,

thank you so much for inviting me.

And she's definitely like a little bit

more naive, more shy,

more not as confident in this first

flashback.

And, you know, it's funny.

I dug a little deeper this episode than

I normally do.

Because I was like, you know,

we're flashing back to a very, like,

green, very, you know,

tentative Alicia in this.

I was like,

let me go back and see.

So I went back to the pilot.

Oh, good.

I was like, yeah,

let's place this in the storyline.

Where are we?

I watched, like,

probably ten to fifteen minutes of the

pilot.

And man,

I know it was only like probably like

two years or so ago that we did

the pilot on the pod.

But having watched the majority,

because that's where we are,

I hadn't watched the majority of The Good

Wife now.

And going back and watching the pilot is

such a mind F.

It's so interesting.

And I think they did great here in

the first flashback with Alicia and her

hair specifically.

Because in the first scene of the pilot,

we get her going to Peter's press

conference with him.

Yeah,

she has the hair exactly as she has

the hair here.

So it kind of gives you,

they do a good job of, you know,

I'm sure for them, Mosey's like, well,

let's just see what her hair was like

in the pilot.

But it's a really good through line just

to see that they are,

they want to make sure they're accurate.

They have the continuity right.

yeah and i would say like it's two

years for us but it was five plus

years for viewers and also like in real

time this wasn't like binged at any moment

this was week after week releases and then

sometimes reruns and then sometimes longer

hiatuses for winter break and all of this

stuff so

I mean, yes, you said, like, yes,

they could just go back and watch the

pilot,

but this is how much they care about

the show,

is that they made sure that the continuity

was there.

They probably had to go to the Good

Wife season one DVD box set.

Because that was what it was back then.

Does anyone have that?

If you're listening and you have that,

I would love for...

I'm sure somebody does.

No, I know.

But write in and let us know.

Are there behind the scenes things that we

could...

I'll see if I can get it from

my library or something.

I don't know.

That was our Paramount Plus back in the

day.

DVD box sets.

Netflix.

I have one.

I have all of the West Wing on

DVD because I was like,

I need to have it.

And I'm glad that I do because who

knows what's going to happen?

It's jumped around to so many different

networks.

Physical media is making a comeback.

Yeah, I'm here for it.

And I mean, listen,

if some of you out there might not

even realize or remember or know,

Netflix used to be a strictly DVD send-in

service.

You used to get a DVD from Netflix

through the mail.

When you were done, you'd package it up,

put it back in the mail,

and you'd get your next DVD that was

on your queue.

That was Netflix back in the day.

Yeah, and before that,

Jason knows also well,

there was Blockbuster where you had to go

to...

physical store yes and then go and with

the same principle of getting a dvd and

returning it man and i think we might

come we might be coming full circle we

might watch you watch this space who knows

those are those are the days man we're

working at blockbuster in the at the

netflix that the netflix boom was quite an

experience yes because like you have you

corporate just freaking the f out and

being like wow they're like they're coming

for art they're coming for jabs like and

then blockbuster you know trying to do its

own service to like all right we got

you and like i was working for a

blockbuster at the time where people would

bring in because that was a thing you

could bring in your mail in

DVD and we give you a DVD at

the store which is like even better you

don't have to wait for the mail so

it's just like it was it was a

wild time it didn't work obviously because

blockbuster is no longer there might be

one blockbuster yeah there's one

So yeah, quite a tangent.

Yes, that was Netflix back in the day.

To say all this to say,

they did a good job of reimagining

Alicia's season one state.

Her hair.

And I really love the transition from

you know very much a housewife very much

good wife hair yeah into okay i need

to i need to not know i no

longer need to be mrs forek i need

to be alicia and how that transformation

was which is really gets focused on in

this episode less so in the pilot and

the pilot we just moved from uh that

press conference to now she has alicia

here which is back in the workforce well

and

Yeah.

And it's like about her and her place

in the firm and her against Carrie.

And like,

there's a lot of setup that happens.

And I think what this,

these flashbacks afford us in this one

particularly is this is coming in just a

week before that,

like just right before that.

And so this is obviously the news has

broke about Peter and his infidelities

there.

The speech has not been given yet,

but she's, you know, all over the news,

all of this stuff.

She's in front of a woman named Lorraine

joy.

Who's just like,

i couldn't resist bringing you it like

just like this is not serious in any

way shape or form but alicia is taking

this so seriously she's like there she's

dressed very professionally she looks at

her wedding ring and she takes off her

wedding ring so this is like we see

like her first consideration around what

her marriage or what the perception of her

marriage is going to be

And Lorraine comes in and she's like,

if my husband did that to me,

I don't know.

But look at you.

You're here.

I would scratch his eyes out.

And it's very much like Alicia is an

animal in the zoo.

We just wanted to see what you were

doing, what you were up to.

We just wanted to see if you are

crazy, how you're feeling.

Are you going to badmouth your husband?

For entertainment.

You're here for my entertainment.

I'm not here to offer you an actual

job.

I just wanted to see you.

Well, yeah, because they ask her, like,

how long ago has it been since you

practiced law?

And she's like, it's been thirteen years,

but I've advised on a lot of cases.

And they're like, oh,

your husband's cases, how cute, how sweet,

how amazing.

And then they mentioned that they have,

like, a starting associate position open.

And she's like, well, I'm open for that.

And they're like, that's not appropriate.

Like, no.

So basically,

Lorraine was just here to get the tea.

Like she just wanted to see what was

going on.

And the way that this flashback goes,

it just like kind of morphs into another

flashback where it seems like it's the

same day she's in front of.

I just put dude man in my like,

I have no idea who this guy is.

But he seems like very like,

when can you start?

And she's just like, oh, my gosh,

this is so easy.

Like, whoa, okay, great.

I can start tomorrow if you'd like.

And he says, go ahead,

come back tomorrow and I'll assign you a

desk.

And she goes and celebrates.

Where, Jason?

Where's the celebration happening?

Elevation.

the elevator okay and let me just tell

you i thank the good wife editors for

all of the elevator-ness we got in this

episode because

All of these flashbacks are happening as

Alicia is trying to write her draft for

the speech, right?

So it's in and out, in and out.

So we see her do a little celebration.

And then we see a hand stop the

door.

And, you know,

this was before the – well, no,

it wasn't.

this was you know the there's a lot

of talk on jason jason i don't know

if you've watched prejudice the most

recent version but there's a lot of talk

about a hand and what a hand can

mean to a woman in the like gaze

of a man uh and we see a

hand open this door and and we flash

forward to present alicia and she's like

she's so flustered i'm like oh

This can only be one person.

We do not see the reveal,

but we know as an audience who this

person is.

David Lee.

Yeah,

who we haven't seen in like fifteen

episodes, but whatever.

It's been a while.

President Alicia is like, okay,

we can't think about the elevator.

So she moves to thinking about being shown

her apartment.

We see the apartment without everything in

it.

She's like, I like this apartment.

First of all, first of all,

first of all,

Have you signed any paperwork, Alicia?

Have you done anything?

Like,

you literally went from job interviews to

apartment hunting.

She's like, hey, cool.

I got a job.

I'm about to be paid.

She's starting to spend the money before

she gets in.

Yeah, right.

I know.

Which is something, you know,

you do if you have money.

So just putting that out there.

I'm building my case.

yeah uh so then we go back to

a flashback dude number two same guy he's

like so about that job um it's a

paralegal job and she's like what i

thought it was like a partner or not

an associate job he says i told the

partners and the partners were worried

about your last name and she's like i

made financial plans like i need a

paycheck i'm like alicia you and me both

we both need a paycheck but you at

least probably have some money

or some people that you could lean on

around you but she's like i need a

paycheck she calls the realtor back where

where does she have this conversation in

the elevator in the elevator exactly and

that brings again her brain back to you

The hand, the open,

and then we see Will Gardner,

and we see Alicia Florek,

and they're like, hey!

Hey.

Squeal!

It's their little meet-cute.

It was the first meeting in, you know,

thirteen years of Will and Alicia.

I'm, yeah,

I didn't realize how happy I'd be to

get this, like, meeting.

I'm like, wow, I, you know,

this was actually a really good

story this is like i i don't know

why i was so interested in the first

meeting i was like oh yeah what was

that first meeting like and this was this

was great and listen props props to the

makeup department okay oh yeah sure they

they did a gr this was before the

age of de-aging digitally so like props to

them for doing the best they think they

did a good job they did a good

job in youngening alicia will up and also

leader terry

Yeah, oh yeah, for sure.

And it's like, you guys,

you did a good,

I don't know what you did.

I don't know if they messed with the

lighting or something,

but they did a good job.

Yeah,

they did a good job of bringing us

back to a younger version of Alicia and

Will.

Yes, only five years younger,

but they pulled it off.

Yeah,

and so we get to see this first

meeting, and we see that Will is,

you know, he's got a suit on.

He's Will,

but he also has gym shoes on instead

of, you know, dress shoes on.

And Alicia makes a comment, and Will says,

a baby threw up on them.

Whose baby?

Jason?

You know, I wondered, is Patty Nyholm?

How do you know him?

Yeah, is this Patty Nyholm's baby?

I was like, this is...

i wonder if there's like some alternate

scene where we see we see more from

will's vantage point and we we see him

arguing against patty and i home and

patty's got her baby like she does and

the baby just like throws up on will's

shoes i also wonder if there's some

alternate scene that got cut they got cut

for time when we see the baby throw

up on will's shoes so otherwise why would

you put this in here

that was my thought and this is like

a really he's like oh my gosh fancy

meeting you here like kind of like you

know he says you know i'm so sorry

about what's going on with your husband

and she says it's okay it'll die down

he starts he starts to leave as if

isn't like it's so yeah the inner

monologue is very kind like what i imagine

will's inner monologue is it's like wow

That was a crazy blast in the past.

Like, that's...

I ever thought about Alicia in... Well,

you know,

he probably has thought about Alicia

recently because he knows about all the

scandal.

But he's like, you know,

we had a thing in Georgetown.

Like, hey,

haven't seen you since Georgetown.

So it's like...

Yeah, there was a thing going on.

And she's like, yeah,

a whole other life ago.

Like, they're totally different people.

Yeah, he starts to leave.

Like,

I don't know if he ever thought he

would see Alicia Fork again.

Probably not.

He starts to leave.

And he's like, he stops himself.

He's like, hey,

one more hand in the door.

Like, hey.

Well, he says sorry about...

There's a couple of times he comes back.

One is to say, like,

sorry about the husband.

Yeah.

And then he comes back.

And then the other is...

It's like, hey, call me sometime.

Yeah.

Oh, well, in this moment,

does he see like.

there's an opening maybe there's or he's

just like I never thought it's here again

I gotta take my I gotta shoot my

shot I gotta do something so he's like

call me again and he's like I'm at

Stern Lockhart Gardner and Alicia's like

ooh top billing and he's like so well

I'm a very impressive person and she goes

I never doubted it for a moment so

there was that little like vibe check

there too of like do they still have

the little flirty flirt

Yeah, the vibes were vibing.

Like they were like, okay,

I see the vibes.

I see it.

Yes.

Yeah.

Alicia then goes back while she's writing

her speech,

her mind goes back to the apartment and

like having this conversation around like

what she's going to do with the apartment.

Well, the flashbacks are tough, right?

Because the flashbacks kind of go back and

forth between.

Yeah, they're nonlinear.

Yeah, so much.

This is before.

So, like,

this flashback is tied to the flashback

where she had to call the realtor about

the lease for the apartment.

She didn't have the job.

She was panicking.

Did she get this, like, I don't know,

spectral version?

Like, this, like...

Jackie's here, but she's not here.

She's here, but she's not here.

She's like a fishnet of Alicia's.

Yes, exactly.

She is.

Because later on, she says to Jackie,

you weren't even here.

Like you weren't even here.

But Jackie says in this instance,

you can always live with me.

i did wonder if the if this was

real real jackie or premonition jackie why

would she let jackie into the apartment in

this moment she's still trying to be

cordial to jackie because this is like you

know she's still trying to get along to

get along so i know she's like if

jackie invited herself over to see the new

house because you know jackie would do

that jackie be like i have to come

over and see the new apartment so i

didn't know if this was real jackie or

premonition jackie and yeah and you're

right because you know alicia's freaking

out about afford the apartment now and

jack said you can always live with me

darling but at least she doesn't freak out

be like oh my god i'm seeing ghost

jackie but she's just like no school

district's better here jack's like you

don't need to worry about that dairy um

which is like what

i'm sure where jackie lives the school

district is just fine i'm very interested

because let's track the jackiness because

there's something i i want to pick but

she's again in her apartment and this must

have been after the will meeting because

she is

not the will meeting the will apart the

see this is why it's yeah it's confusing

this the i'm talking about will in the

elevator this is after will in the

elevator because then she says she we see

two different versions of this

conversation but alicia does call will and

the first time we see her call will

she says this is me calling she's like

and then the other time she calls and

she's like very flirty she's like well

it's the same one though because in this

moment in time in the episode this is

when she starts getting pressure from

Carrie and Clark being like you have to

be you have to put your story out

front

We have to make it known that you

are a woman in the workplace and it's

very tough.

So she adjusts her conversation with Will

to be like,

because she wants to put it in the

speech.

She wants to be like,

I called Will and talked about the fact

that this workplace is very hard for a

woman to be blah, blah, blah.

And then she flashes to what the real

conversation was, which is very casual.

And her being like, hey, Will,

you said I should call if I had

a chance.

And this is me calling.

And she's like, oh, okay.

Like,

obviously Will's doing his Will thing and

be like, yeah,

I was just looking at our yearbook from

Georgetown and you look pretty,

pretty good.

She's like, oh, Will,

that doesn't look like me at all, Will.

Which is like, you know,

that's not what she wants to put in

the speech.

Cause that was very like flirty.

And- Yes, exactly.

And I think- Go ahead.

Yeah,

so the version she's thinking about

putting in the speech is very like

buttoned up and very like,

I'm fighting for women in this workplace,

blah, blah, blah.

Then she's like, no,

that wasn't really happening.

What really happened was we kind of

flirted a little bit.

Well,

and I think this is the impact of

Jackie.

So the question of,

is she really this feminist icon?

Or did she kind of use her sexuality

or something to get to the top?

Because the next thing we see is Alicia

waiting to meet with Will at Lockhart,

or Stern Lockhart Gardner,

to talk about a job.

And Jackie is, like, in the corner.

She's like, what are you wearing that for?

And Alicia's like, you weren't even here.

Like, why are you here?

And Alicia says...

This is definitely spectral Jackie.

This is definitely Jackie here.

Like, I question the apartment Jackie.

This Jackie, obviously,

is not actually here.

And Alicia says...

Or Jackie says that's a three hundred

dollar dress.

And Alicia says,

this is what this is what a good

dress, you know, is.

But let's talk like the dress is low

cut.

Like Alicia is, you know,

dressed for Will, basically.

And they argue about why she's there.

And Alicia says,

your son is the one who put me

there.

And Alicia's like, no, no, you like that.

You like nice things.

So go be a whore.

That's what Jackie says to Alicia of like,

wow.

And I don't know if this is this

memory from Alicia's memory in the present

or if this is what Alicia was thinking

in the moment of going to this interview.

I think probably it's from the perspective

of Alicia now, present day Alicia.

Yeah.

questioning like I think she's I think

she's using Jackie as the voice of the

audience as the voice of the perception

like the perception of what her story is

like so like if she tells her story

is she going to be seen as this

feminist icon or is she going to be

seen as a whore and so like I

think that's that's where she's

That's why they put Jackie into these

flashbacks and why she keeps coming up

when she comes up.

get a little bit of a different

perspective on this because i i think it

is alicia questioning herself i don't

think it's alicia questioning what the

audience is going to think i think it's

alicia questioning herself was was i being

genuine or did i know what i was

doing by doing these things and she's

putting that in a jackie form because yes

i just wonder psychologically

how did Jackie get under this woman's skin

that much?

You know what I mean?

Like, I understand Jackie's annoying.

She's like, I get it.

But like,

it's really interesting to me that Jackie

was the one that was saying these things

to her.

Yeah.

think of all the people in alicia's life

she's had like she's dealt with this type

of thing from jackie the most and it's

not as it's not as aggressive as a

jackie is here but it's all these little

comments that jackie would probably make

that are cutting like oh that's an

interesting dress steer to decide to go on

a job interview things like that things

like you know like i i feel like

she's been putting up with that for you

know decades at this point and i think

jackie herself um

represent the good wife oh yeah because of

what we learned about Jackie and her own

situation with her own husband she was a

good wife she did stick by her husband

did cheat on her it was a kind

of open secret all of this type of

thing so I think the story like this

is this whole narrative situation is

Alicia trying to figure out what story is

true

it's yeah it's a little bit of both

right she's trying to formulate the story

for her audience for the keynote and she's

also reflecting like was was i being

forthright in what i was doing did i

buy this dress to impress will to like

you know your skin like because she got

that elevator like like she had three

hundred dollars to draw to buy a dress

i'm saying this because of my current

situation everyone i just you do not know

i do not have a job

So when she plays this, like, I'm poor,

I have the same card, I'm like,

you are not poor, lady.

You may be rich poor,

you may not have access to assets,

but you are not poor.

She's probably got a credit card.

I mean, she's got a credit card.

She might not be super liquid because all

of Peter's assets might be frozen right

now, so she's, like,

in a tight spot in that way,

but she's not strapped for cash like you

are right now, like,

Like many people are.

Yeah, exactly.

Like, and that's where I was like,

in twenty twenty six,

it just kind of hits a little bit

different,

mainly because of my own experience.

But even if I didn't have this experience,

like there's no acknowledgement of the

fact that that she is a woman of

privilege and she has this thing.

So I can I can feel sorry for

her,

but I can't feel sorry for her at

the same time.

You know what I mean?

I think she has limited privilege right

now because she's seen as a pariah in

many circles because of the whole Peter

Ford thing.

I'm not saying it's perfect.

Right.

But she needs a job.

She needs a job and she has...

certain capabilities that will land her

like a high paying job right off the

bat like she's not starting from zero you

know like like you are or i would

be if i lost my job you know

right you know i we don't she's not

she doesn't have to go work for work

at mcdonald's she doesn't have to go drive

uber or doordash like she doesn't have to

do that she has certain uh things behind

her that does give her privilege she has

a she has a law degree like she

has she she

And her name, even though it's like...

But her name is Dirt right now.

No, I know, but I'm saying,

but her name in the eyes of Will

got her into the...

You know what I mean?

Well, in that specific instance,

not her Floric name,

her Alicia name is what got her the

door for Will,

because they knew each other.

She has that privilege, for sure,

that she knows high-powered people that

could get her in certain positions.

Not because of

Her last name.

Her last name is what has gotten her

kind of like shown the door in several

places.

The only thing that's gotten her a job

is her past with Will.

And that's just as Alicia.

Do we ever know Alicia's maiden name?

I don't know.

I feel like we did,

but I forgot it.

But that's the name that's gotten her in

the door.

Not the Floric name.

The Floric name is working against her

right now.

The Georgetown Alicia is what's gotten her

in the door with Will.

And from that perspective,

you could say she definitely has privilege

because she knows people in high power

positions that we could never know.

Right.

Well,

but I think that's what I'm trying to

say is there is no examination by the

character to recognize what she has and

what she doesn't have.

And I understand it's an emotional

situation where the character is also

feeling like, oh, my God,

my life's falling apart.

Like, I need to do something.

I need to get a job.

I need to do all of these things

now.

I would say, to back up your point,

she's not even thinking about the fact

that I can downsize a lot.

Yes, exactly.

For her,

it's either I have to have a high-paying

job or I have nothing.

So the line that Spectral Jackie says to

her of like, you like nice things.

Yes.

So...

this is where I'm trying is like her,

this is a response, this like,

I need a paycheck,

cry for me in the elevator,

like whole thing is the response to her

losing her status and losing her

privilege.

It's not an actual response to,

oh my God,

I don't know how I'm gonna buy groceries

this week.

You know what I mean?

Like there's a difference here.

And I just,

I wanted to acknowledge that on the

podcast because

everyone's story is different every and

there is a wide spectrum but i think

it's so much has changed and shifted since

when the episode originally aired to now

that if we were to like people people

could look at the character of alicia and

be like me too girl me too and

i'm sitting here going no not me too

not not you know what i mean like

no no there's a little bit of a

different situation here

Yeah.

I don't, I don't think that,

I don't think the show has enough of

a, uh, enough latitude,

enough screen time to really address.

Sure.

Yes, exactly.

No.

And it wasn't like prestige TV and like

all of that stuff.

Yeah.

But that's where I'm,

I'm saying the lens of.

Television viewing.

Yeah.

I think a little twinge in the dialogue

could have thrown something in there that

was just like, hey,

at least you're not working at, you know,

or McDonald's.

You can always do that.

And to see Alicia's face like, ooh,

me working at McDonald's?

I don't think so.

And I'm not even trying to say that,

like,

you can't like everyone's heart is hard

your heart is your heart my heart is

my heart like difficult but your difficult

is yours this is difficult for alicia i'm

not trying to discredit that from her i'm

just trying to place it in the global

scenario of is this a poor woman i

don't think so

I mean, yeah.

And who Alicia is, is not someone that,

Alicia is not you or me, right?

She has, she has different resources,

different things you can turn to that

makes,

that makes her idea of what we do.

Like I, I work in retail.

Like I'm sure Alicia would never think

about doing the job that I have.

Like, cause that's,

that's probably beneath her, but that's,

that's what the status is, right?

Of like, that's what her thinking is.

I do think there,

there could have been a line dialogue to

address that,

but I don't think that was really their

focus in the moment.

I don't think.

yeah what i'm saying is like i don't

think it's a fair criticism of the show

like my criticism of this moment is not

a fair criticism of the show or i

think it's a reflection of the social

commentary in terms of what has shifted

since when the show aired and now and

so like when we're looking at the

conversation of opt-out moms when we're

looking at the conversation of alicia's

story and character arc

um looking at it from the moment that

we're in kind of shifts it for me

i mean yeah and the thing is like

at the very least

alicia could literally just go live with

jackie it would be it would suck it'd

be terrible but she has her brother or

her mom you know what i mean like

there are people like there are people

it's not you're telling me that your

brother that teaches at northwestern or

whatever doesn't have some an extra cash

that could put you up at a hotel

for a week or two until he figures

this out you know like

I'm sure Jackie has a multi multi bedroom

house.

Oh, and she would love it.

She would.

Yeah, it would suck for Alicia.

But hey, like,

that's what you got to do sometimes.

And so I think I think what your

point is,

is that they are really painting Alicia in

in this flashback and in the first season

of the show of like,

I got no other options.

I got to do this for me and

my family, which is like,

not exactly true.

and they do address it a little bit

with Jackie being like you can always sit

with me darling but at least she's like

I'm not doing that like that is a

no for me and she has the privilege

and she has the resources to say no

to that as someone who has moved back

in with her parents

above the age of thirty,

it's a little bit different.

Sometimes you have to go live with Jackie.

You know what I mean?

Sometimes you just, that's how it goes.

That's what I was trying to say.

It probably wasn't the most eloquent way I

could say it,

but I wanted to make sure that we

examined it.

It's an interesting discussion.

I think that's why our podcast is good,

because these are things that aren't

talked about in the show that we could

talk about and maybe relate to some other

people that are

listening or watching to like really kind

of dig deep on that.

The show,

the show I not necessarily dug deep in,

but it's something that is interesting for

our viewpoint advantages that we wanted to

call out and talk about a little bit.

So I think that's why we listen to

podcasts, right?

To get those different perspectives and

viewpoints.

And you know, if you didn't dig it,

then I'm sorry.

well we're here now uh at the chat

where will and alicia um her having like

their first actual conversation not like

hey hey but like the hey what's going

on let's catch up conversation literally

just sit there and flirt like the whole

time the whole time and was like so

that brings me up to the you know

last five years or whatever what's going

on with you and she's like well i

had a paralegal job but it was voluntary

and

you know,

stuff's going on with the husband and

everything.

And he just like,

what I appreciate about Will is that like,

he's like,

I'm not even gonna talk about like the

Peter stuff.

I'm interested in like what's going on

with you.

So he was like,

have you considered working here?

And we get a little interesting, like,

flash-forward,

flashback conversation with Alicia's mind.

Because he asks her that question.

And she looks at her ring in the

present.

Like, her ring from Peter in the present.

And then...

flashes back and he's like, yeah,

let me talk to the partners, you know,

we'll see what's going on.

Are you like concerned that you're,

you know, you haven't practiced less?

She's like, no, no, I'm good.

And he's like, you've always been good.

You've always been good, girl.

I'm sure you still good at things you

were good at in college, girl.

He says, or she goes, you know,

my connection with my husband,

like it hurts me.

And he's like,

why are you trying to dissuade me?

This is something I always do.

I'm always like, you know,

why are you doing this?

Why are you trying to dissuade me?

And then he says to her,

we all have a past that can hurt

us.

Which is so interesting coming from Will.

Yes, because at this point, okay,

let's talk about where Will is.

Will is at Stern Lockhart Gardner and he

has done the whole stealing of the money

and then putting the money back type of

thing that happened in Baltimore.

So he's referring to himself and also

telling her in this next line what his

plan is for himself because he says,

don't let yours hurt you.

So he's like,

I'm going to do whatever I can to

keep that Baltimore stuff in Baltimore.

At least he's telling us the audience who

has this knowledge.

Alicia has no clue about this at this

moment.

It was fascinating for them to slip that

little line in there.

We all have to pass it to her,

which is like, yeah,

this stealing of the money has hurt Will

severely in his life.

I didn't even remember the Baltimore thing

when we first started rewatching it,

but this has been a prevalent situation

this whole the whole series basically yeah

and it really came up in season two

and like ever since then just like has

been an albatross on his neck in every

conversation well and it's tied to the

suspension it's tied to everything

Then we get a cute little scene of

Alicia meeting Carrie for the first time

while they're waiting for their

interviews.

And we get an interesting conversation

between these two characters in the

present.

So let's talk about the looks before we

get into the present conversation.

Carrie.

Carey's got the Bieber cut going.

It's really, as opposed to now,

when it's all spiked back and brushed

back,

it's very all brushed forward over the

crown of his head.

It's like, wow.

When I went back to the pilot,

that was the one thing I wanted to

look at.

I was like, is the hair consistent?

It's pretty consistent.

I remember us saying in season two,

when they came back in season two,

it was like, oh my god,

everyone's gotten a new glow-up,

and that was Carrie's glow-up.

He went from the Bieber-ish type of style

to the more modern style.

I was like, okay, yeah, that tracks.

I wanted to see...

is i want to remember in the pilot

what was what was carrie alicia's first

meeting like did they recognize each other

because if this was the first meeting

right right that we see in this episode

this would have predated the meeting of

the pilot and i think it does track

i think it does track because they kind

of like he's like hey i'm carrie i'm

the new associate's like oh yeah yeah like

as if they had a little bit of

a meeting in this episode okay yeah they

they got there okay i know you right

yeah

So President Alicia,

she's like writing her speech.

She like sees Carrie across the room and

was like, okay, let's talk about this.

Let's talk about the first time we met.

It's like, hey,

what did you think of me?

And Carrie's like, I liked you.

And I'm just like, did you though?

I thought you were cocky.

And he goes, I thought you were entitled.

And then Alicia says, poor, but entitled?

Can you be bold?

And I was like,

Yes, you can.

I mean, yes, you can.

You can be both.

Both and can happen all the time.

But this is when the character

acknowledges, like,

says out loud that she believes herself to

be poor.

And that was my biggest, like, man,

not so much.

Probably even back then, not so much even.

But, like, this was...

this was i was like you're not you're

not poor alicia i think she was i

think she was for her she was cash

for herself and also like in terms of

her life like this may be the poorest

she's ever been um but to say to

carrie who also like worked for the peace

corps and saw like a bunch of stuff

like poor but entitled was weird she

didn't know that but anyway i just thought

it was an interesting line i mean the

entitled part makes her think that she's

poor

like that's a really kind of crazy

parallel to be like yes you were entitled

so much that you thought you were poor

but you you really you were she was

cash poor but she was not poor in

options right like right or yeah resources

assets like she had things she had

movements she could make yeah

And then they talk about if you could

hire someone today, who would it be?

And Alicia goes, you?

Carrie goes, yeah, me too.

Well, I mean, specifically, it's like,

would you hire me or would you hire

you, Alicia?

I probably hire you, Carrie.

It's like, yeah.

And I like Alicia's like, yeah,

I don't like it about myself.

It's like, yeah.

and and carrie's like well that's not the

question the question isn't about this the

question is why did will hire you like

because this is going back to your story

like and the next thing we see is

jackie in alicia's ear spectral jackie in

alicia's ear basically like just up there

because you're a slut whoa i was like

damn

So the next flashback we see is Will

trying to convince Diane to hire Alicia.

This conversation was so interesting

because Diane's like, we've already voted.

It's not going to happen.

And Will's like, well, you know,

she was the best at Georgetown and she's

not the one that slept with the hookers.

Like it wasn't her.

It was him.

and diane clocks it right away like did

you ever sleep with this woman like were

you ever involved with her it just

confirms that will has always been willed

i'm sure there's been some other some

other instances with will it's like he got

hooked up with people because of you know

this and that and she's already clocked

this i think the most interesting parallel

is the the diana we're presented with in

this flashback and the diane from the

pilot

If you don't remember the diagram for the

pilot,

it was interesting because a lot of shows,

the pilots are very different from what

actually becomes the series because a lot

of shows shoot the pilot only to present

to the network.

And that's what show has the first

episode.

But then when the show gets picked up,

things change a lot from pilots to actual

series.

A lot of you out there may or

may not remember Justice the dog that

Diane had back in the day that we

saw off that pilot that never saw again.

We might see Justice again at home at

some point.

I don't know.

And I thought it was very interesting,

right?

Because the pilot is very kind of...

how do I say this?

Like, it leads toward the male gaze.

Let's just say that.

Because even Diane is who doesn't do this

now in present day is like,

showing a lot of cleavage,

like in that in the first look is

like, wow, like,

I can't even imagine Diana today.

or something like that.

And don't get me started on the Kalinda

of it all.

When we first meet Kalinda, I was like,

oh my God.

I shouldn't even be watching this.

It's so crazy.

But that was the most interesting parallel

from Flashback Jackie, not Jackie,

Flashback Diane of this episode and Pilot

Diane.

Like, Diane,

the way that the aging has happened with

Diane was very, very different.

So from all the people that we got

de-aged, re-aged,

Diane was the one that was like, okay,

they're presenting the flashback, Diane,

of more of the Diane of today and

not really the pilot of Diane.

That was interesting.

I'm pretty sure like, well,

I would not be surprised if after that

pilot, Christine Bransky was like, listen,

this ain't me.

This is what's going to happen.

Like you want me on the show?

This is this character.

This is what's going to happen.

so Diane in the flashback tells flashback

will give me something to sell the hiring

committee so that we can hire this one

whatever and so who do we see come

walking through that door who's gonna find

something that we could sell none other

than Kalinda who is dressed in pastels

like I was like again not not the

pilot Kalinda we see the pilot Kalinda is

very different from flashback Kalinda

And then flashback, Kalinda's like,

what do you need?

And Will's like,

I need some information on Alicia Florek.

And she's like, Peter Florek's wife?

So we see Kalinda come back and she's

like, hey, here's the deal.

So I talked to her old law firm

and she won a few cases.

She left for her maternity leave,

but she was going to get fired because

the law firm didn't think she was tough

enough and she lacked killer instinct.

I think that's very interesting because we

saw that in the first season of The

Good Wife where Alicia was very timid,

very like, oh my gosh,

should we be doing this?

Oh no.

But she learned through working with

Lockhart Gardner to get that killer

instinct because all the people around her

had that killer instinct.

So she kind of learned that killer

instinct from Lockhart Gardner.

So I think it was very apt for

them to like put that in there and

be like, yeah, she was very like,

she lacked that killer instinct.

It was like, we saw that, that tracks.

That makes sense.

And this is also a flashback that I

want to talk about the placement of in

the episode itself,

because I think this also informs a lot

of

the actions in this episode um but kalinda

is like what do you want me to

do with this and will says bury it

the next thing we see is alicia being

told by will you're hired so we have

no idea we still don't have in terms

of the origin story we have no idea

what how carrie was hired we have no

idea the conversation between will and

diane on the carry versus alicia of it

all but we get to a point here

where will is telling alicia you're hired

and she's like

oh my gosh thank you so much I'm

so like so ecstatic this is great it's

like well you're you got here now you

gotta impress us and she's like I could

do it and um well you didn't have

to do this and he says well when

I'm broken lying in an alley somewhere do

something nice for me

And there's looks between the two of them.

And it's like, you know,

I think probably in Will's mind,

he's like, yeah, I said that.

I did that for her.

And what did she do?

She freaking backstabbed me.

Exactly.

You know, it's just like, when I'm broken,

Lana and I somewhere do something nice and

be like, yeah, like,

In Will's mind, it's like,

I did all this for her.

And also,

it could also be argued that her leaving

and forming her own firm is also an

act of entitlement.

I'm better than this.

I'm not giving my time to this place

that gave me this opportunity when I

really needed it anymore.

I could do better.

I could go out.

I don't know if I'm just spitballing here,

but I'm trying to track the...

passed to the president but i think what

we've been presented is the the impetus

mostly of alicia going on board with

carrie doing this was just to get away

from will because she wanted to bang

exactly yeah exactly yeah i know i know

but but she's also taken it now you

know like she's now she's in it and

she's even more so at the end of

this episode so we've gotten through all

of the

We've gotten through all of the

flashbacks.

It was so rife with context and

interpretation.

It was important for us to really dig

into that stuff because it's very,

very interesting.

Yes, and I think it really,

especially for people who have watched the

series or are watching the series as a

whole, like,

I think this lands more as someone who's

binging it, binging it.

I'm watching an episode a week,

but without, without commercials,

without all of this stuff, it, it,

it lands a lot harder than it would

have in regular TV.

Like this is a storytelling thing.

We're doing an express, right?

We're doing it.

We're doing it faster than normal, right?

We've covered five years of TV in two

years, basically.

Yeah.

Okay.

So all of that is going on in

Alicia's head.

Okay.

So just,

we're just going to put that in the

context of the conversation,

which we were about to have,

which is the logistics of this episode in

general.

So like I mentioned at the beginning,

everyone is at the ADA conference in New

York city.

And while Carrie is reviewing Alicia's

speech at the top of the episode,

we get a phone call from none other

than Clark.

And then he is very much.

So inside a New York city cab,

we have, um,

I knew immediately they were in New York.

I didn't even have to look out.

I just was like,

this is a New York cab situation because

we have the video screen thing going.

We have lots of noise.

But Clark is calling to say, hey,

Rena Hecht wants to meet with you.

And we really need her.

She's a rainmaker.

We really want her on board.

And it turns out everyone wants to meet

with this Raina Hecht lady.

Well,

she brings sixty million dollars in

billable clients.

So this is like this is a big

gift for anybody that can pair up with

Raina Hecht, apparently.

Yes.

Did you want to mention the cameo that

we see in the text?

Bill de Blasio,

one-time mayor of New York City,

is on one of those little insufferable TVs

inside of cabs, inside of subways,

inside of buses at some points,

doing his little PSA for New York and

why New York is so great.

Fun little cameo from the New York mayor.

I mean, who did they have?

a season ago uh the other was it

the was it a mayor guy that was

at peter's like party when he got up

yeah who was it i forgot who but

was he i forgot to but what i

liked about this is not only was it

a cameo but they made sure that that

they got across to the audience how

annoying these things are because they

were loud they were interrupting

everything

So we do see Lockhart Gardner is meeting

with Reina.

And at this point,

this is when we first see Reina.

And I was like, oh, my gosh,

it's the law and order lady.

It's Jill Hennessy,

who I forgot she's a law and order.

Marissa was like, oh,

it's law and order lady.

I was like,

I remember Jill Hennessy from Crossing

Jordan back in the day,

which doing some research,

I was confused about what Crossing Jordan

was.

I thought Crossing Jordan was the show

where a coroner sees dead people and helps

her solve cases.

But no,

she's just a regular old medical examiner.

Not exactly the type I was looking at.

I was thinking of Ghost Whisperer,

apparently.

But no, this is Crossing Jordan.

I did remember Jill Hennessy from her time

on that show.

I didn't really watch that show.

But I remembered that show was around at

a certain point in time.

I remember her from Law & Order because

basically the only things on TV when I

was growing up was like Law & Order

or PBS.

So fun times.

But Lockhart Gardner is meeting with her

and she's like interviewing like all of

these people.

She's like,

I want a partnership she can believe in.

At this point, I was like,

is this a client?

Is this someone like who is this person?

Will addresses the suspension and he's

like, I'm done with it.

It's over.

It goes over well with Reina.

And Reina's like,

I'm going to decide in twenty four hours.

We'll see what happens.

So Lockhart Gardner sees Flora Gagos on

the floor of the conference for the first

time.

And Diane's like, oh, look at you.

You're the big guys now.

Like, oh, just doing the same thing.

Same thing you are.

And Will leans in and is like,

good luck on your speech, Alicia.

And Carrie says yes.

don't let him get in your head.

Which is like,

that good luck speech is very much like,

I hope you crash and burn, Alicia.

Pretty much.

Like, good luck.

At this point, Reina sees Floricagos,

and she's just like, I gotta go.

Like, I'm sorry if I don't sit down.

I gotta make some phone calls.

We've got moving and shaking.

Things are happening.

And Carrie's read on this is that Lockhart

Gardner stole their spot.

Like,

they've lost out on talking to Reina.

Over by the elevators, Diane... Again,

elevators.

I'm always on elevator watch.

Diane talks to Will.

He's like, hey, she's going to vet us.

Reena's going to vet us.

And Will's like,

no one's under indictment.

Like, this is like the floor.

This is where the bottom bar is for

Lockhart Gardner at the moment.

Like, no one is under indictment.

And Diane's like, what about Damien?

And he's like, not even Damien.

Not even Damien.

I have a suspicion that we will get

an update on Damien next time.

Maybe he hasn't seen a couple episodes.

It's like, yes,

the best we can do right now is

that at the current moment,

no one is under investigation for

anything.

Well, that's not quite even that true.

No one is under indictment.

Exactly.

There's no formal papers on anyone at the

firm.

It is a slight little moment in time

where no one is in trouble at our

firm.

So we're good.

We're good at the moment.

And at this moment,

Will runs into Nelson from the Office of

Public Integrity.

And he is like,

he is hot on Will's case.

He's like, listen,

I was on the Rod Blagojevich case.

And if you ever want to know,

it's just an embarrassment.

We're just really embarrassed to Rod

Blagojevich in many,

many ways as an Illinoisan.

So that's why he's saying that.

He's like,

And then he said something that I thought

was interesting, Jason.

Again, with Twenty Twenty Six Eyes,

he said voter fraud is an ongoing crime.

Did you know?

Isn't that interesting?

Yeah.

Yeah.

That was interesting.

Some people were like,

not have you believe that?

Yeah, you would think.

Yeah, I don't know.

But voter fraud is an ongoing crime.

And if if you are involved in

In an ongoing crime,

that is conspiracy and that is felony.

Like, whoa, what's up with that?

Wild stuff, bro.

Will doesn't want to hear any of this.

I love how he just walks up to

the little store, buys earplugs,

and is like, I cannot hear you.

You can kind of tell he's like,

I'm going to have to hear you,

but I don't want to hear you right

now.

Classic Will Gardner shenanigans.

Classic.

Yes.

Diane asks, well, hey,

what about that man by the elevator?

During...

during the session called,

What is the Key to Litigation?

And Will's like, what, man?

And she's like,

have we stopped trusting each other?

And Will says, oh, yeah,

it was about the ballot box.

And Diane's like, why you and not me?

And he's like, well,

I'm the one who took the video over

to Peter Florek and showed it to him.

And Diane's like, okay, well,

what are you going to do?

And Will says, I don't know.

And then the next thing we hear is,

let me introduce you to Elizabeth.

I mean...

elspeth tassioni again we are in the

vaquita litigation yeah i was like oh my

god it's elspeth i was so excited here

is so awesome so fantastic it was so

great because she does her presentation

and she's like okay what is my like

view of litigation

Imagine a big pillow and we're all,

and you're on the pillow.

Take off your shoes.

And I'm like, this is, this is classic.

And you can see, yeah,

you can see like, well,

it's like looking at Diane during this and

Diane's like, no, well, no,

you can't be serious.

Can't be serious.

I mean, Diane, why are you doubting?

I mean, Elizabeth is the best.

You've all seen that firsthand.

Yeah, exactly.

I don't know.

She's a little annoying.

It's like, you know, but she's the best.

She's great.

She's the best.

uh alicia goes in for her speech rehearsal

there's gonna be lots of people clark is

calling from the cab again saying that

like reena she wanted to apologize for

like kind of blowing you off this morning

she didn't know that you were like you

um but she's coming to the keynote and

you could hear carrie behind like did she

say about the speech like it's super

important did you hear how important the

speech was um and clark says reina will

decide after the keynote so there's a lot

of pressure

on this keynote for alicia cut to elspeth

in the streets of new york new york

it's a heck of a town and it's

like i'm sure they didn't i don't know

if they planned this or what or if

they planned like when they were like

doing the first episode of elspeth like we

have elspeth in new york content right

like what what did she feel about new

york

It very much lines up with the Elizabeth

of today,

where she's super excited about New York.

She loves New York.

She loves all the pomp and circumstance of

New York, except for her apparently bear.

I wish I could have referenced that bear

in the Elizabeth.

I once had a bad situation with one

of you dressed up bears.

Well, I was going to ask,

did you explore the Elizabeth?

I did.

I didn't have time for that.

I didn't have time for that.

Only because it would be funny if she

was like,

she saw a bear and was just like,

no.

I've had bad experiences with people like

you.

The reason why she is upset with this

bear is because the bear says some very

choice words to Alicia,

basically anti-Semitic words.

I mean, to Elspeth, sorry.

And she's like very on alert now.

She's like, this bear is anti-Semitic.

And I love how she keeps calling back

to me.

She keeps telling everybody about the

bear.

Like, Will,

you won't believe what this bear just said

to me.

Will's like, huh?

What the heck are you talking about?

So she meets up with Will.

And basically,

this is like the first time in classic

Elizabeth she is going to tell the

audience what's at stake.

She's like, okay, if you testify, Will,

you risk disbarment because you are

breaking privilege.

But if you do not testify,

you are risking contempt of court.

Like, not good.

Not good.

My thing was, like,

why would he be risking disbarment if,

as Nelson told us last episode,

it is okay to break privilege if you

are testifying about a current conspiracy

going on?

Because I think Elizabeth is just,

she doesn't know what crime is, like,

is being talked about.

Okay.

And then she mentions this rule,

the one percent vulnerable rule.

Basically,

like if you're one percent vulnerable,

you're vulnerable.

So you're in trouble.

Well, you're in trouble.

And she's like, who we have to help.

And.

Will goes, we have Kalinda.

And I just love,

I love that given that we know everything

that's going on in the background of the

series, Elizabeth is like, I love Kalinda.

I just love her.

I love her so much.

We've seen Kalinda and Ellsworth interact

before and it's very considering the two

characters where one is so over the top

and exuberant and Kalinda is so low key

and so kind of deadpan of how the

yin and yang of these two characters

always work well together.

yes but then also the like archie punjabi

like like um exile of everything to have

elspeth like be so happy to see kalinda

or talk to kalinda um so funny they

get on the phone with kalinda and she's

like i miss you kalinda's like okay i

miss you too elspeth like in a very

like

I was like, oh,

I miss you so much, Kalinda.

She's like, I miss you too, Ellsworth.

Let's get to work.

Yes.

Ellsworth asked Kalinda to look into

Nelson Dubeck to see if there's anything

that she could find there.

Unsurprising.

Clark has walked.

He's gotten out of the cab.

He has walked into the conference and he's

like, I got more news.

So the lady,

she left her current law firm because she

was the only woman

So she is really into women empowerment.

So I really want you, Alicia,

it's really important that you turn up the

women empowerment angle in your speech.

Clark is super hype man.

Both of these people, Clark and Carrie,

are trying to be the best hype men

that they can for Alicia.

But this is where I think our conversation

in terms of women empowerment versus what

comes into play,

because

everyone's looking to Alicia as the symbol

of wish woman empowerment.

And as we talked about,

she is trying to examine if that's true

or not for herself as she's writing her

speech.

Yeah,

this is where she kind of thinks about

the conversation,

the phone conversation she had with Will.

What angle should I use this for?

Was it truly like,

was I coming across as this feminist icon

or was I kind of using my feminine

wiles in a different way?

Was I standing up for women's rights or

was I using my past with Will as

kind of like a crutch here?

So it was very interesting to see.

yes Elizabeth gets news from Kalinda we

don't really get anything she's like yeah

yeah yeah thanks thanks Kalinda and we see

her like fumble with her phone like she

does something she's like bye Kalinda and

then like presses something and runs into

Nelson um and she says I'm gonna need

you to leave Will alone because otherwise

I'm gonna sue you for harassment at first

Nelson's like do I know you and she's

like no but I will sue you and

And he's like, oh, that's so funny.

You don't know how serious they take this.

Take a look at this.

And for some reason,

they've been using a gif gif of this

instance of the box going back and forth.

I don't know why they wouldn't just use

the tape.

I guess memory is...

I don't think they're using the GIF,

but Elizabeth is like,

you know what that looks like?

It looks like a GIF,

whatever you call it,

a GIF or a GIF.

I have always been in the GIF camp.

Yeah, me too.

That's just my prerogative.

If you're GIF, then that's your problem.

But she's like, you know,

this does look like a GIF.

I don't think it is a GIF.

I think it's just a clip from the

tape.

It looks like one of those GIF things

that she talks about the fact that she's

seen.

And this conversation was very interesting

given the AI world that we live in

in twenty twenty six.

For sure.

For sure.

You know, if you put in a prompt,

you can get this probably exact type of

clip where she's like, you know,

I saw this GIF and someone had faked

a lake in this GIF.

Like, isn't that crazy?

How do I know this isn't that?

Which is like, wow,

if only y'all were living in twenty twenty

six, how easy that would be.

And those times, like,

how would we even do that?

How would you go to trouble doing all

that?

Like you could do it in two seconds

in today's world.

i totally fell for there was this one

video of these bunnies jumping on a

trampoline and i thought that it was so

cute and i was like look at these

bunnies they found the trampoline and

they're jumping on the trampoline i was

like no marissa that's ai yeah it's a

it's a hard world out there

And so basically she's saying,

you better have the original because if

you don't,

I'm going to object to the GIF.

She's camp GIF, not GIF,

being admitted into court.

And this gets Nelson into this whole bit

of a tizzy.

He's like, the governor is guilty.

And she says, how do you know that?

He's like, oh,

he's the governor of Illinois.

Jokes.

And then she's like, no,

Peter is a criminal.

And Elizabeth says, who was exonerated?

And who doesn't say,

and I was the one that got exonerated.

I was like,

why wouldn't you bring that up?

Yeah, I know.

She's like, who was exonerated?

And he's like, nope.

His case was dismissed.

And she says,

so you're out to get him?

And he says,

I'm out to get a criminal.

She's like, you don't have any proof.

Like, I'll find proof.

And then Elizabeth takes her phone out of

her tote bag, many of her tote bags,

and says,

I'm Elizabeth Tassioni recording Nelson.

at this in this lobby at this time

in this place and nelson's like you're not

allowed to do that it's just like i

sure am in the state of illinois or

in the state of illinois it's a double

consent like both people need to consent

to a recording but in new york it's

just a one-person consent state and i'm

elspeth tassioni and i consent

interesting enough she only has one tote

bag here yes that's true not a multi-tote

bag state yet but you know i was

like nelson why don't why don't you know

this like well why aren't you like he's

he's in such he's in such a state

he's forgotten what state he is in to

be like oh yeah i'm not in chicago

right now i'm in new york oops and

i think he's just like the effect that

elspeth has on many people he's just kind

of like disarmed he's like yeah

what just happened like what what's going

on and elspeth says you're gonna really

need to leave will alone he's a nice

man and he wants no part of your

vendetta and also look into this bear in

times square

So the time has come.

It is time for her to give her

speech.

We've got Carrie and Clark hyping her up,

telling her all this stuff,

telling her where Raina's going to be.

While that's happening,

Elspeth brings Will up to speed on what

she recorded with Nelson.

And he's like, oh my gosh,

thank you so much.

You're such a lifesaver.

Elspeth, in her most Elspeth way, is like,

no, I'm just...

That's it.

It's like an awkward, like, Will hugs her.

She's like, okay, all right.

You need all that, but cool.

Bye.

So we get to listen to Alicia give

some of the speech.

And she says, I had a good interviewer.

He asked if you're up to it.

And he also brought up the fact that

I was arguing against myself.

And everyone in the room was like, ah!

and obviously she's talking about will and

it has slipped into the keynote to listen

to the to the speech and he's like

that that was me but of course she

won't say that like he's like oh good

interviewer you don't say um and she's

like okay this is what i would use

everything you can to get the job and

don't feel entitled

which was interesting.

And then she said,

the advantage to being a woman is that

no one asks why you opt out.

Again,

a little bit of a critique with the

twenty twenty six lens.

It is not an advantage to have people

think that you went to have a baby

when you took a break from work.

You could have taken a break from work

because you burnt out.

You could have taken a break from work

because something happened with your

family members.

You did not need to leave to have

a baby.

But this was this was different time,

different time.

And she asks,

would I have done anything differently if

I were a man?

And people at this point start getting up

to leave.

And this kind of flusters Alicia.

And we learn that there's a pharmaceutical

company that has had a hostile takeover

and everybody kind of wants in.

And we hear her say, raise your profile.

We have to make up for lost time.

We have to make up for lost time.

next scene is will being sat in a

cafe next to alicia which i thought was

funny but before we get there i do

want to talk about the fact that will

was also kind of reviewing some of those

same scenes at this time while this was

happening we get the convincing diane to

um hire alicia in here we get will's

like

hand elevator reaction at this point i was

also i was wondering because you know

alicia says that that line of like you

know use everything you have to get the

job and don't feel entitled and i you

see will thinking about these flashbacks

i'm wondering if what will was will's

inner monologue is like did she flirt to

get that job like did she did did

she because will has a certain viewpoint

of alicia now

His viewpoint of Alicia is she's

cutthroat, she's backstabby,

he's questioning all of the things he

wants to know about Alicia.

So I think he's also wondering in this

moment, did she get me?

Did she con me?

Did she afford me to get that job?

At the same time,

this is also when we get the flashback

with Kalinda telling him that she was

going to be fired,

Alicia was going to be fired,

because she didn't have that cutthroat

instinct.

She didn't have the stuff.

So I think to your point earlier,

he's kind of realizing,

I made this monster.

Yeah, true.

I don't really know, you know, like, oh,

she came in so meek and mild.

She came in so timid,

so all of this stuff.

And I exposed her to this.

I exposed her to this cutthroat world.

And I made her into someone who would

leave my firm.

That's a great way of looking at it.

And I think that opens doors for me

because that really informs his attitude

toward Alicia in this next scene.

exactly exactly that's exactly what i

think too so we get the scene where

will goes into a coffee shop and he's

like he gets sat right next to alicia

at the very next table and at first

he's like oh is there anywhere else

anywhere else they could sit and he sits

down again at a coffee shop speaking of

entitlement speaking of all of this stuff

he sits down at a coffee shop and

orders a scotch and it just says they

only have beer like it's just like

He's like, okay, beer.

He doesn't even say, I'll have a beer.

He's just like, beer.

And she says,

it's hard to get drunk on beer.

And Alicia comments that the waitress

doesn't like her.

And Will's like, she's not the only one,

pretty much.

It's going around a lot, huh?

We're not liking you, Alicia.

And he's basically like,

what's up with you?

And she's like,

I had three hundred people walk out of

me.

And he's like,

looks like looked more like four hundred.

She's like, why do you hate me?

Which is honestly a question I've asked

seventh graders like multiple times in the

past two weeks.

Like, why do you hate me?

Like, what are you doing?

And he's like, I don't like you.

And he would be too strong of a

word.

Yeah.

I'm still like, Alicia,

what don't you understand about what you

did?

Yes, obviously,

this man is going to be very upset

with you.

He thought you guys had,

not an intimate relationship anymore,

but...

He thought you guys were pretty tight.

He had an understanding.

You really backstabbed his ass.

Why are you still questioning why this man

doesn't like you?

Get it through your head, Alicia.

I don't think it's that hard to

understand.

And Will says to her,

don't ask the question if you don't want

the answer.

Like, what?

And he goes, he tells her, like,

three weeks.

You were scheming for three weeks.

Yeah.

Yeah, exactly.

To do what you did.

And she goes, it's not my fault.

I want to leave immediately.

That is not a justification.

That is not a justification.

Like, what are you doing?

He's like, you left with our clients.

And she's like, oh, get over it.

He's like, well,

don't ask the question if you don't want

the answer, my guy.

Like, that's not the issue.

Yeah.

That's why I don't like you.

That's why I'm mad at you.

Like, obviously.

What are you questioning?

And what was really interesting was her,

after it died down a little bit,

she looks at him and says,

we could never make it work.

And he says,

you're linking two things together that I

never knew.

did basically telling her the reason i'm

mad at you is has nothing to do

with the fact that we're not together has

nothing to do with the fact it is

the fact that i laid my life on

the line for you to get you this

job and the you turned it around and

you took you took this away from me

and then go

this kind of turns into almost a little

bit of a coaching session of sorts because

Alicia gets served another beer you know

and the woman really does not like Alicia

she like drops it on the table

And Alicia's like, thanks a lot.

And Will says,

say bitch if you want to say bitch.

And Alicia's like, bitch.

Bitch.

But yeah,

I want to bring it back a little

bit.

Where she goes,

we could never make it work.

And it's like,

And I was like,

those two things were never,

like that never would have stopped me from

working with you.

Yes, exactly.

It stopped you from working with me,

but that was not in my mind.

We could have worked together,

which I think is like,

I don't know if you really could have,

Will, but that's neither here nor there.

I like where he goes,

you're linking two things that I never

did.

I never thought about the fact that we

were in this romantic entanglement and

that didn't mean we couldn't work

together.

I think if there was just maybe a

little more communication on Alicia's

part,

we could have talked that out instead of

Alicia just going off the deep end and

doing what she did, which was a smack,

a spit,

whatever in the face you want to say

to Will.

No matter what your thought process was,

you made an enemy of will when you

did that i think if you would if

she if alicia had gone about it in

a much different way he wouldn't have this

amount of hatred for her because yeah yeah

and she also she's like um so if

i was any other partner so like she's

trying to like again lean into this and

say like it's not because we had a

relationship or anything like that she's

like so if i were any other partner

you would have the same reaction and he

says i'd be as unhappy

and as competitive as i would be with

them as they would be with anybody else

he doesn't he doesn't directly answer the

question but it's like but you're not any

other partner alicia you're not any other

lawyer you were alicia to his will you

were you were you are you and because

you are you he's taking it ten times

harder which he's trying to get him to

admit but just like

yeah obviously like what it's like he's

never going to say that out loud to

you alicia but of course that's the

problem

Well, right.

And I think like he has that fact

that he made her not he didn't do

that.

He's not he's powerful,

but he's not all powerful.

Like from this timid,

she was timid and then she came in.

She's not timid and she's got all this

stuff.

So he kind of now sees like, OK,

if you're going to be at my level,

you're at my level.

You know what?

Like I'm going to compete with you.

Yeah.

It's not me whining about me being party.

That's just life.

That's the world.

And I would do this.

Like I would be as competitive.

Like he's saying,

he says competitive a number of times in

this conversation,

kind of to let her know,

like we are competing.

I see you as an equal.

Now you're competing as lawyers compete.

And he says, you're a big girl.

You're up for it.

And then Alicia offers her hand as a

handshake in this, like, okay,

we're going to be competitors thing.

I think it might be more of a

truce, right?

Of, like, we have been so at odds,

like, to an insane level.

But now we've had this conversation.

Now we've, like, kind of...

put it all out.

Not all out there.

We cleared air.

Let's call a truce.

Let's call a handshake and let's let

bygones be bygones.

You're still going to be mad at me,

but we've at least talked about it,

which I think is interesting given

I'm not gonna say too much,

but like where we're gonna go.

This was important for that.

Very much so.

To have this conversation,

to have this kind of,

I wouldn't call it closure,

but to have this like level of

understanding with each other.

It's like clarity.

There's some sort of clarity.

Not full clarity, but there's like,

this is how I see you now.

yeah conversation and this is the first

time having a real full-blown conversation

without having something else in the

background without have without being in a

case together or against each other this

is the first time we're really being able

to address this like outside of everything

else like we're just two humans sitting

here with pet with a past with a

history and kind of coming to coming to

terms with how our relationship uh ended

right like i think that's very important

for these two characters

i when you said history i heard history

oh and i i feel like that's also

true but if you want to take that

over to some of your other pods feel

free for sure let's look at your history

yeah let's like review the history

But you know what?

You just finished Perfect Match over on

the Robbins podcast.

I think I could have used that before.

As we're talking about these people,

let's take a look at your history and

see what you've been up to.

You're shaming other people for who

they're kissing.

Let's look at your history.

uh so we get this moment right like

they're like handshake handshake and it

gets interrupted by this phone call from

carrie carrie's like uh can you talk right

now and alicia who has now established

that will is her competitor and all of

this stuff is like uh not really i

can't really talk and alicia's like or

carrie goes well reina wants to meet and

she has to meet right now and alicia's

like uh i've had a few and carrie's

like a few i'm like yeah a few

um

um listen carrie listen carrie she at

least she hasn't had mushrooms okay my guy

let's not start shaming people what about

your mushroom mystery carrie okay that was

yeah that was the time uh we'll meet

us in the lounge she wants to meet

us for a drink and she leaves will

saying may the best man win

which watching the pilot was very

interesting because Carrie says that to

her and the pilot.

Yes.

And she now says it to Will in

the coffee shop, which was like, oh,

that's an interesting little callback.

Like so many good little callbacks from

the pilot.

little like uh resets to you right like

this is like that started that story this

is kind of resetting yeah because alicia

takes that takes that offensively in the

pilot like when carrie says to her because

they're talking about that they're

competing for this this one job carrying

alicia and carrie goes well may the best

man win she's like hey like i'm not

a man but she says it here to

will i was like oh so good so

good

OK,

so Will's made his way back to the

conference and he is met by Jim Moody.

And I was like, oh, alarm bells,

alarm bells, because Jim Moody is like,

hey, well,

I just like I really need to talk

to you.

And Will takes Jim Moody into a private

hallway.

Well, no, not really.

Will tries to walk away from Moody,

and Moody follows him.

That's a very important distinction.

Will's not taking him anywhere.

Will is trying to escape Jim Moody,

and Jim Moody is following him.

Yes.

And he's like,

I just need five minutes of your time.

This Nelson guy is really after me.

I just need you to know that I

just did what Eli told me to do

that night.

And Will's like...

I don't care.

Listen,

we are like witnesses in the same grand

jury.

We cannot be talking to each other.

Get away from me,

which was very important information.

The Floricagos gang of Carrie, Clark,

and Alicia are meeting up to prep for

the arena meeting.

And Alicia, Alicia's a little tipsy.

She's a little, she's just like,

I'm going to talk about like women

empowerment and capital contributions or

something.

clark is like excuse me did you just

say crap at all i cannot believe you

said that uh the boys are nervous like

they're like oh no like this is this

cannot not be good everybody's like alicia

you will do a little talk as possible

and me and clark will do all the

talk which is like i don't think that's

really going to resonate with reina very

well given given what she's looking for

I don't think that's what she wants in

this moment, but okay.

And that's how it plays out because she

gets there and she greets Alicia.

She's like, hey, I loved your speech.

So sorry that so many of our colleagues

had to miss it.

And Alicia's like, thanks.

And the boys swoop in right away.

They're like, oh, yeah, hey,

all this stuff, blah, blah, blah.

And she's like, hey, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay,

I really just want to talk to Alicia.

What?

which is such an interesting question

given the remembrances of all of this

episode.

And it's just like, hey,

let me learn and grow, a.k.a.

become a competitive person.

It carries like,

it carries looking at her like,

and you want to say why that is

bad or why you chose to leave?

Because we don't want to give Lockhart

Gardner some good talking points.

We want to now start shitting on him.

Come on.

And I had to put that learning and

growing on its feet.

And Carrie's like,

which is exactly what we do here at

Lockhart.

and um then clark is like yeah and

let me tell you about our crapital

contribution or crapital structure and it

was just so such a funny moment of

um comic relief and then reina asks alicia

like what do you want and alicia's like

i want a happy life and i want

to control my fate

interesting character notes uh it's like

you know in in these type of shows

we don't really get a opportunity for

characters to like say out loud what they

want out of life and like i thought

it was interesting for alicia where she

wants a happy life and she wants to

control her own fate

It's like, that's so interesting.

Given what Alicia has gone through,

I guess in a lot of moments,

especially in the early days of this show,

feeling like her fate was tied to Peter

and Peter alone.

But I feel like she has really done

a lot of work to make a life

outside of Peter.

And to, in her words,

control her own fate, control her life,

control her life and make it a happy

life by going out on her own,

not being like tied to Peter in his

life,

but to also make a life of her

own.

And I think the question of like,

can you do that and be a good

wife, quote unquote,

at the same time is still something she's

structured with.

Or she's structured, struggling with.

I'm like reading my capital structure.

Reina's response to Alicia's answer is,

hmm, good talking to you.

Yeah,

Reina does not give up very much in

any conversation she's had in this

episode.

We're like, what is Reina?

Is she impressed?

Is she mad?

We don't know.

To which our characters also,

like Clark is like, was that good?

Like, what are you supposed to say?

Like, I don't know what's going on.

Then we get the scene,

which if you watch Elsbeth,

was just very heartwarming because we get

the scene of Elsbeth singing with Clark.

Now, this is important for many reasons.

One, Clark is played by Nathan Lane.

Nathan Lane was on Elsbeth,

played an opera fan, not an opera singer.

Yes.

um so this is a like a pre-meeting

of those two like this is the first

time we saw these this character at least

with this actor and then second of all

in the show of elspeth i don't know

if you've heard but elspeth's son teddy

really should be on broadway he can sing

very well and elspeth cannot sing she has

a very awful voice

And for those that don't know,

don't watch Elspeth,

the actor that plays Elspeth's son in

Elspeth is a very famous,

Tony-nominated currently,

actor on Broadway.

So they got to do a meta there.

Actually have him singing on the show.

So I was like, how does this character,

Elspeth, produce with this singing voice?

So these genes produce someone like Teddy,

her son, on Elspeth that can really sing.

The father most has some sort of vocal

notes up there.

Well, and...

as we often say um the show is

about us uh we just covered the last

episode of elspeth was all about teddy

singing like and so we had like a

whole episode talking about teddy singing

and then to only come back to the

good wife and see elspeth singing was just

too i guess i guess this is why

we never see elspeth sing on elspeth

because we now know she has a terrible

singing voice yes

Did she sing in the musical episode of

Elizabeth when they were in the prison?

Oh, I think she does.

I think she does.

But we'll have to...

if he wasn't as bad as this for

sure no this is bad this is bad

and uh clark tells her that she's like

um i just want to let you know

you have a horrible voice and she's like

yeah i know but the city inspires me

which is total elspeth like baked into her

dna um the city inspires me she's like

oh

I'm going to go get us some new

drinks.

And Clark is like, no, no, no, no.

I'm very traditional.

I will get the drinks.

And Elizabeth's like, oh, no, no.

You have to let me because I just

met a new partner and we're starting a

new firm.

And Clark's like, oh, like with who?

And she's like, with Rena Hecht.

We're starting a two-woman firm.

Which I was like,

I did not remember that at all.

I wonder,

is this going to pop back up in

later episodes of The Good Wife?

I wonder why we never mentioned it on

Ellsworth of like, you know,

I wonder if we'll ever get a Joe

Hennessy cameo on Ellsworth as Raina Hecht

as her one-time partner.

I was like, oh,

that was a little detail that I had

forgotten from back in the day.

And just one more note on the Elizabeth

character of when she gets her phone call,

she's like, I got to go buzz, buzz,

buzz, buzz, buzz.

It's very, very Elizabeth.

Like you can really tell the to the

point about the wigs and continuity.

There's continuity of character here all

the way through to today,

which is which is nice to see.

So Elizabeth gets a phone call and she's

like, I got to go.

She had to go to the van that

travels the world apparently with Nelson.

And he's like, look, here's the tape.

Chain of custody is good.

And also here is a video.

Here's video footage of you, Will,

talking to Jim Moody.

Coincidentally, conveniently.

This is the only video.

He doesn't have the ballot box video.

He only has the Moody-Wilf.

He says, listen, this is real and genuine.

This Will-Moody thing got it from a hotel,

so there's no chain of custody issues.

To refute your little things about gifts,

Elsmeth, I'm going to just tell you,

this is original video.

And, of course, there's no audio.

It's just video of Will and Moody meeting

up.

Which would only lead a jury to think

that you two are conspiring with each

other.

And Will's like,

you got to deal with Moody.

And so I think this confirms it.

This confirms what team Moody is on.

And Nelson's like, listen, Will,

you don't have to worry.

I'm not interested in you.

I'm interested in Peter.

All you have to do is testify against

him.

And I was like, well, think about it.

And he says, you have forty eight hours.

So that's going to be something we see

again.

And then this episode does get a little

bit of a like flashback button because we

see Alicia run into Lorraine Joy,

the first woman in her hiring flashbacks.

Lorraine's like, oh my gosh,

so good to see you.

Alicia's like, who are you?

She's like, oh, Lorraine Joy,

you came into the office a while ago,

asked for a job.

She's like, loved the speech.

So great.

I'm just wondering, like,

would you like to come in?

And like,

I know you got your own thing,

but like,

would you consider working for us?

And Alicia says, no,

I'm pretty good where I'm at.

She's like, okay, well,

maybe down the road.

Yeah,

it was a really good full circle moment

because I was also wondering, like,

is Alicia pretending not to know who this

woman is right now?

Because we just saw you have a flashback

to meeting with her earlier in the

episode.

It was like, oh, who are you again?

Oh, yes, I totally forgot about you.

It's not important to me at all.

I wouldn't remember who you are.

It's like, it's so funny.

um but yeah it's a good full circle

moment was like at least she was desperate

to get any job that she she would

have killed someone to work for lorraine

joy back in the day but now she's

in a place where it's like no girl

get out of here i got my own

thing i'm good shawty i'm good it's like

oh yeah that's nice nice little full

circle

So that was the episode.

Thanks for, like,

it was a hard one to figure out

how to cover because of all of the

ins and outs.

But I think we really got a lot

of character background.

We got a lot of character insight.

We will have, you know,

the ongoing investigation into Peter is

still in play.

But this really kind of was an episode

to answer the Will and Alicia relationship

status, basically, at this point.

Yeah, it's a good moment for Will,

for Alicia, for all our characters.

Yeah, just can't wait till next week.

Yeah.

Next week's going to be stupid.

Yeah.

Why don't you tell the people?

Yeah.

Sorry.

I'm going to tell the people.

I'll tell the people.

Tell people what you have to do, Marissa.

Yeah.

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Okay.

Jason, what is up with you?

And what is, and the history of,

of your people?

Yeah.

Uh,

season four of perfect match is history.

So to say, uh, me,

Asia Welch and Kirsten McInnes just

covered the season finale of that show

over on the Rob has a podcast network.

So go check that out, uh,

where you get your trash TV podcast.

Also,

you can find me and Asia Welch talking

about the show married at first sight over

on our podcast.

Perfect.

Uh,

over our podcast a perfect match not to

be confused with the tv show perfect match

i just referenced i'm so glad her match

is done so i can stop saying that

um so on a perfect match me and

asia uh tackle married at first sight we

are currently going through the vault uh

recovering old seasons since there's no

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season twelve one of the best seasons of

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it.

That's it for me right now, Marissa.

That's it for you.

Until next week.

Stay good.