Welcome to the Good Pod,

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good life, good life, good life.

AKA,

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I'm one of your hosts, Jason Reed.

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Marissa Garza, who Marissa...

You know,

you've done such good work for this

podcast,

worked tirelessly on this podcast,

you know, on the technical producer side.

First of all, are you good?

I'm good.

Jason, are you good?

I'm good.

I'm good.

I just want to recognize how much you're

working, how much you're doing.

I just feel like, you know,

you've been on every episode of this

podcast, every single one of them.

Oh, F you.

So have you.

I have.

I have.

We both work super hard.

But I feel like today,

you just take the day off.

I'll handle this episode by myself.

There will be no one else here.

Just me and listeners.

I'll just talk and talk and talk.

There'll be no responses.

But you should just take the day off.

Just get out of here.

If anyone could do it, Jason.

Take your scarf.

Take your scarf and go.

Okay?

Take your scarf and get out of here.

Was not expecting you to be ready with

the scarf.

Leave your laptop.

Just get out of here.

Thank you.

Thanks.

That's so kind.

I would,

but only if you were wearing a Bluetooth

earpiece and have suddenly changed your

entire wardrobe.

Because then I think I could really take

this as an invitation to not show up

for work.

Because what the fuck was that about?

Because it also was like,

why are you trying so hard to get

me to leave like we'll talk about it

but for many reasons that moment was so

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Alright,

so this episode finally has three separate

points within it.

Three different storylines.

Will is still dead.

We are still dealing with that,

but it's not the central focus of our

episode.

Don't worry, buddy.

Will is still dead.

Yeah,

we have not jumped the shark that much

in the fact that we are bringing Will

back from the dead.

But let's start off with what's going on

with Diane.

She's got a case of the week.

She's also got some stuff going on with

Lewis Canning and David Lee.

So Finn, current Secretary,

not Secretary of State, oh my goodness,

State's Attorney,

State's Attorney candidate,

Finn Pollard is waiting at Lockhart

Gardner for Diane to show up.

She gets off the elevator and is like,

hey,

What are you doing here?

And he's like, oh, you know,

I'm here for the Pollard questioning.

And she's like, the what?

The what now?

The what?

Mm-hmm.

hold on one second let's see what's going

on so she takes finn into the back

goes and checks in with lewis canning who

is in will's office and lewis is like

i just you know your your assistant

couldn't find you and finn called and so

like i took this upon myself i took

this upon myself to be nice and do

something nice for you i am just being

a good partner diane you're welcome yeah

yeah

it was interesting for diane and finn to

meet right and it it was it was

interesting to me that there was no real

talk of will until like a little later

there was no real talk of like hey

like you were the last person to see

my best friend alive like what was that

like like i was it was kind of

surprising there wasn't like a recognition

of that it was just like oh yeah

i know who you are well i think

there's like so much going on in diane's

head right now she's like oh my god

it's finn

finn like her her she's like finn will

in her brain but then she's like these

little dubious devils in my office like

what the frick is going on i need

to like compartmentalize this and i can't

really think about the finn of it all

right now because i have to find out

if louis canning is going to stab me

in the back yeah it's like louis like

hey i'm just trying to help you out

diane like why why you why you think

something weird is going on because you're

louis canning that's why

Yeah.

Yeah, there is.

Yeah.

So Lyle Pollard, who we have seen before,

he arrives.

And by the way,

I will have me say to you that

the show that he is most famous for

in my mind sisters the pride and joy

of winneka illinois um is being talked

about on thread so there may be a

sister's revival that uh robert klein may

come back into the zeitgeist and then more

people will be more excited when lyle

pollard shows up on the show because he

for sure is the person jason

I know he is.

I know.

And for those that don't remember,

like I didn't, if I was like,

this guy is familiar, he's familiar.

I looked up on him and he was

like, oh yes, I remember now.

When he was on the show before,

Marissa shamed me for not knowing who

Robert Klein was,

not including him in our guest star,

you know, spotlight of the week.

I was like, okay.

And I was like,

where was he in the show?

And I looked it up.

I was like, well, okay,

what episode was he in?

What was this one?

I was like...

I read the episodes.

I was like, okay.

Lyle and his wife were trying to, like,

cajole Diane into dubbing Kurt.

It's like, Kurt, really?

This guy?

This is the guy that you want to

be with?

That's the guy you think of as your

friend?

Yeah, yeah.

They're her, like, you know,

liberal friends.

yeah her liberal judgy friends yes yes

exactly exactly and this comes out even

more because like okay cool like you're

here because it's like your nephew right

like or your grandson grandson yeah it's

interesting because like he's like yeah of

course there's cops because of the work i

did in the sixty eight convention so like

he's like in this like conspiracy mindset

of like it's all about my house all

the time yeah it's all about you my

guy yeah

Yeah.

So Finn starts questioning Robbie,

who is Lyle's grandson,

about this thing called the Silk Road.

And he kind of introduces it as like

the Amazon for crime.

Like there's...

Everything you could want.

And because his grandson is involved in

this,

there is a chance that he could be

convicted with a class one felony.

And they traced money to Robbie's account.

And they traced money to his account.

And he was paid as an employee of

the Silk Roads.

It's not looking great for Robbie here.

And I love how in this entire thing,

diane's like oh oh you trace money you

trace bitcoin you can't do that i know

about that like i know about bitcoin and

you can't do that and finn's like yeah

until it like could put it itself and

the government was able to try trace it

and it's not as safe as you thought

it was no i was not uh i

don't think when this first originally

aired i was like i was not like

too i

plugged in to the you know the crypto

goings on like the goings on the world

like so he talked about oh yeah ever

since ever since uh mount mount gox was

bankrupted uh we have access to this i

was like is that is that is that

a real thing like was that something

actually happened i had no idea i was

like but i'm sure

Marissa citizen.

Oh, no, no,

I did not know about that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I wasn't really into the crypto scene at

that time.

Like, I just was like,

this is never gonna go on.

I love that.

I was like, Well, well, Finn,

I happen to know.

Because, you know, we, we,

we had sometimes and others represent a

man, you might recognize him,

he looks like the guy from American Pie,

calls himself Mr. Bitcoin.

So, you know,

I know a little something about a little

something.

And it's like, no, you know,

because if you knew,

then you know that we do have access

to trace Bitcoin now and cryptocurrency.

And we found Robbie with sixty five

Bitcoin,

which equals thirty nine thousand.

I was like, what is to convert?

No clue.

I really like happening here.

I have no idea what the conversion like

what does.

Well, let's let's look.

Let's see this.

Hold on.

What is this?

Bitcoin to dollar.

Yeah.

Hold on.

Thirty nine thousand.

uh divided by sixty five so one bit

okay okay it it averages out well one

bitcoin worth six hundred dollars okay so

that's like okay now i know one bitcoin

at that time at that point in place

at that time i feel like it changes

a lot oh well yeah because i just

did bitcoin to dollar conversion and right

now according to the internet one bitcoin

is worth sixty four thousand dollars

whoa whoa okay um interesting yeah so

listen uh f what they told you about

bitcoin going down in value from the value

it was in what to what it is

now has skyrocketed apparently

you can imagine it would probably go down

after something like the government being

able to trace where it goes right like

and now like there's there's a lot more

infrastructure under bitcoin regulation

now yeah yes yeah yeah so i have

to be quite honest for me there's too

much math involved in this world so all

i'm taking away from this is that the

government can trace it robbie's not as

safe as he thought he was and he

could face up to years in jail so

diane's like

uh okay crap crap and a half hey

robbie's like i was like i don't know

i don't know what's going on me uh

and someone must have hacked into my

computer i have no idea yeah yeah robbie's

an interesting character through all of

this because diane says hey robbie you

stay here let me talk to finn and

lewis canning by himself and one thing we

should note about robbie is we do see

him coming in walking in on crutches

And so she has this conversation with Finn

and Finn's like,

I don't want to arrest him because I

want to know the information that he has.

Just get me that information and I'll just

give him a year.

So Finn brings up the fact that this

is like an optical or Diane brings up

the fact that this is like an optics

game because Robbie has cerebral palsy,

which we didn't really know.

Like he didn't, he didn't,

divulge or say anything,

but this is something that she knows.

And she's like, oh,

isn't it interesting that this questioning

is happening here and not at the

courthouse or not at the police

department?

And isn't it also interesting that Lewis

Canning is here as well?

And Lewis,

why don't you come in and tell us

about your condition?

She's really trying to put this together.

And also,

isn't it weird that you're running for

state's attorney and this would be like...

really, really weird.

And Diane's like, yeah.

And speaking of that,

the last prosecution that you did resulted

in the death of an attorney.

And Finn's like, okay, like,

this is a lot.

This is a lot of mess,

but I gotta tell you,

I have a witness.

And so Diane's like, oh, crap.

He tries to, like,

stop everything in his tracks.

Like, okay, enough on me.

Like, enough piling on me.

You gotta focus on the fact that I

have witnesses that says that Robbie works

for Silk Road, okay?

So how about you do that?

But I loved Diane being like, listen,

I got...

got lewis canning here i might as well

make this work for me like at least

a little bit so lewis come on in

and do it and do your shtick do

your thing it might as well benefit me

for once uh you know and listen like

the difference in the delivery for lewis

canning he's like i have chicken art

edition i forget i don't want to say

it incorrectly because it is a real thing

um but he like says the name of

his condition and he's not as like

don't know lewis canning about it well

because i mean it's not it wasn't really

his choice he's being brought in by diane

he's like okay i'm just it's not as

performative because i didn't come up with

it but okay i see where you're going

diane he does he does play ball he's

like hey i got this and you don't

want to be seen look you know passing

someone with a disability do you like

that's not going to be good for you

uh and you know they both kind of

call out finn for like you know if

this is anybody else you know drag his

ass down to the police station you're

questioning there

um but yeah so i like how they

called him out and i like finn was

like all right let me let me just

redirect because he's like i have a

witness that says that robbie worked for

silk road and also lyle's in trouble

because robbie used lyle's basement

to do work for the silk road so

technically like lyle's assets could be

frozen which means you might not get paid

by lyle and they're like oh okay okay

okay so diane goes to talk to robbie

and lyle in this point lyle's like

helicopter grandparenting here he is very

concerned he's jumping in as as robbie's

being questioned um and robbie again is

saying like i didn't do anything i didn't

do anything

Like, yeah, but they have a witness.

If you didn't do anything,

how could they have a witness?

And she has to push Lyle out into

wait into reception because he just keeps

bringing up all these questions.

Like, he didn't mean to do this.

He didn't do anything.

They bring Kalinda into the room so that

she can gather more information.

Lewis Canning tries to talk to Robbie

about rebelling when you're a young kid.

like elena diane were like this is weird

like he's like every time they witness

lewis canning doing something human

they're just like ew like this is not

because like lewis canning's whole speech

is like you know when you're young it's

like normal to rebel for me it was

girls for you it could be crime but

like you know i'm sure if you like

talk to your grandfather like he'll find a

way to forgive you ever like what like

lewis canning relating to someone

what lewis canning has a soul and robbie

at this point confesses that he wrote

reviews on the silk road he wrote reviews

for different things he had a whole like

rating in terms of like how high drugs

got him all of these things he was

hired to plant reviews

you know i don't think about black market

like sites and black market sellings and

dealings i just did i just never really

even thought about the fact that they

probably have reviews on the black market

of like how effective drugs are how great

a sex worker might be of like yeah

that's wild that there are reviews even on

these like black market sites well and i'm

sure like they have their own language

that i wouldn't even understand it would

be like

something that would fly right over my

head five strawberries for this for this

uh yeah exactly exactly uh so robbie's

like yeah i made reviews for them and

louis canning and diane are like did you

get paid to do this and he's like

yeah and it's like oh well if you

were paid then you abetted you know this

crime all of the crime that you reviewed

all the crime that resulted from the stuff

that you reviewed and then robbie's like

i i didn't there was this girl okay

all right so yeah maybe there was some

some stuff going on uh there's a there's

a girl i mean it's always a girl

right it's always yeah it's not always

well

There is Helen of Troy.

We could talk about if you want to

go into the Odyssey of it all.

Like, Helen of Troy.

There's girls do things.

Anyway, they make men do stupid things.

That's kind of where I'm coming from.

I'll be getting my history lesson when I

go see the Odyssey.

You know, Chris Nolan's new movie.

It's not a history.

It's a myth.

It's just a story.

Anyway, so we...

Which is why people should not be upset

about it.

But anywho...

colinda is like oh a girl let me

go find out so we are introduced to

this woman named corsica and she when

colinda walks in she sees there's like pot

everywhere it has a very distinctive label

on it and of course because like i

didn't say anything and colinda's like

yeah no you totally told the cop stuff

i just need to know like what you

told them and she said i didn't tell

them everything like i just told them that

he wrote reviews i didn't tell him that

he like invented it colinda's like well

In Corsica,

it's very easy to see how Corsica got

hemmed up by the police.

She just opens the door for Kalinda.

She's like, hey, what's up?

I got all these drugs.

What do you want?

Yeah, yeah.

She's like, oh, someone's here.

It's like someone's here to buy DVDs out

of my basement.

Yeah,

I'm not going to figure out what they

want, who they are, what they're doing.

I just assume they're here to buy my

drugs.

So yeah,

I got them all out here in the

open.

What do you need?

What do you want?

It's very easy to see how Corsica got

involved with the police.

Yes, yeah.

Robbie confesses that he said all of this

to...

He said that he invented the Silk Road

to impress Corsica.

It's not real.

And Corsica is saying, well,

I was worried because he said he invented

this thing that Robbie had the power to

hurt me.

And the fact Robbie told her that he

had like sixty four Bitcoin in Iceland or

something hanging out in Iceland.

And Diane's like, OK,

like we have to get the ASA something

to use, like we have to pick something.

And he talks about going into his way

or into his email to find information.

And as he does that,

he uses voice detection software to access

his email.

He shows them how he gets to Silk

Road.

He talks about the thing that if you've

watched these shows and heard about the

dark web, you've heard of Tor,

which is the thing that all the black

market users use to get onto the dark

web, the black market,

whatever you want to call it.

He shows them how he uses his Tor

encryption

to get to the black market and you

know he shows them how he shows them

silk road she's like all right here's

here's here's all the bad stuff here's

sick road here's how i get on there

so we got to find something for like

robbie to give so that he doesn't get

in trouble so i guess they're going to

start working on that yes

yeah meanwhile diane goes back into her

office and there's like a bouquet of

flowers and i was like oh my god

is it kurt did kurt finally have something

to say about the fact that will died

and did we finally see anything about

those two together no no we haven't it

was flowers from a client named roger lux

diane is very confused she's like oh she

calls roger and says oh thank you so

much for these flowers

and roger's like oh my god diane you

did such great work like thank you so

much and she's like what work did i

do i mean it's a it's a hard

thing right it's like i don't want to

i don't want to let him know that

i don't know what the hell he's talking

about he's like she's like oh yeah all

the all the work i yes all the

work i did uh just just just to

refresh memories what what what does this

work and when did you ask me for

this

Yeah, and he's like, this business plan,

you know,

your friend David helped me with this.

Like, David Lee got this idea.

And he's like, okay, thanks, bye.

She hangs up on Roger Lee,

calls Kalinda in and fires her assistant

all in the same scene.

Well, yeah,

because you find out that Pauline,

Diane's assistant, of course,

got this call and is the one that

passed it on to David Lee.

And so Diane is on a spree of

just like five people because she fired

that girl that was crying about Will on

the Will death episode.

She's just out now, fires, but was like,

Pauline, get the hell out of here.

yeah i wonder how many assistants diane

has gone through in the over the years

clinton walks into diane's office and is

like hey so yeah there's like an email

signature we found an email signature that

has the phrase prepare to be amazed on

it like yeah yeah yeah okay cool fine

like we're gonna go do that but also

remember how you said you'd help me if

i needed your help and she's like yeah

And Diane says, well,

can you help me see what David Lee

and Lewis are up to?

Because of this whole going through the

assistant intermediary thing,

she's already questioning why Finn is

doing the questioning of Robbie here.

And then also she's now got this Robert

Lux situation.

So something seems to be up.

She wants to know if there's moves going

on.

And Kalinda stops and says to Diane,

you seem different.

And she says, I feel different.

I feel like I'm channeling Will's ghost.

And then Kalinda says, take care of him.

was weird like i get what they're trying

to say but it was oddly written it

was and i don't feel like diane's really

doing anything that different than what

diane no no no i feel like this

is what diane diane would have done this

to will if will was still here if

will was making these moves

In fact,

this is like the fifth or sixth

conversation like this that Diana's had

with Kalinda over the term of the series.

Like, even before Will died,

Diana's been like,

I need to figure out what's going on

against me, Kalinda.

You need to figure it out.

And I just feel like there should have

been something demonstratively different

that Diana does to make it, you know...

this feels like will because i've always

kind of felt like diane and will were

kindred spirits right they're both kind of

they both can get cutthroat when need be

uh they both are you know kind of

have been out for themselves at certain

points and it felt rather forced to me

just to be like yeah like she

should have thrown a baseball or something

something like if you feel you feel

different i was like no she doesn't like

this feels to be the same guy we've

seen for the last you know five seasons

so i it felt like a little too

like trying to force a square peg into

a round hole to be like oh diane's

like will now no she's not she's still

the same to me and i feel like

uh

It also makes me question what the...

I mean, I know it's a TV show,

but I was like,

what the other people saw on the

day-to-day between Will and Diane that

would make them so different?

Because I did also see them as very

kindred spirits.

It's like the same...

It's like chocolate,

but they were different types of

chocolate.

Yeah, yeah.

They didn't differentiate enough for Diane

to be acting any differently now.

I was like, okay.

It didn't feel genuine for them to

shoehorn that line in there.

To be like,

Will still lives on in all of us.

Like, we know.

We know, we know.

Diane talks to Lyle and is like, hey,

look,

you're going to have to make it so

Robbie is not scared of you because he's

scared of you,

which is why he's not giving us this

information.

We need this information to kind of get

him off the hook.

While she's having this conversation with

Lyle, aka the king of sisters,

But David Lee knocks on the door and

interrupts.

She's like, he goes,

you fired your assistant.

You fired Pauline.

And David's like, I did this.

Like, I did this to help you.

I asked her not to tell you this

is on me because I did this without

any credit.

This is just how altruistic I am.

And Diane's like, what?

And she's like,

things are falling through the cracks,

Diane.

Things are falling through the cracks.

And I am not going to pick up

your slack anymore.

And I'm like, get out of town,

David Lee.

Go jump in a lake.

Well,

the fact that David Lee came after Diane

for firing her own assistant is just like,

okay, David,

you're mad because you lost your mole in

Diane's office.

Yes, you're calling on yourself, you nerd.

Like, you're David Lee.

You're not altruistic.

You're not out to stick up for anyone's

job that you don't care about.

So it's like, obviously,

you're just mad because you lost your mole

here.

Yeah.

the way he's like oh you fired poor

Pauline she didn't do anything to you she

was doing what I asked her to do

like yeah that's the problem David she's

doing what you asked her to do why

are you telling Diane's assistant to do

anything like why is that even part of

your thing but David Lee saying I did

this without any credit is like also a

David Lee tell like this man does nothing

without any credit or without any ulterior

motive behind him

exactly it's like yeah one time when he

cried in the conference room and then i

liked him for two seconds there's that one

human moment um but it's it's just like

yeah david you did this without credit but

you're doing it to it's seeing yourself

into this into this position to take

control uh yeah you don't have credit for

it now but you're gonna get credit for

it later you're doing this to like to

really kind of in you know and stay

with yourself into diane's operations

they'll be seeing this transition once you

get diane out of here and also

Diane has not let anything fall through

the cracks.

Diane has not let Will's death impact the

firm in any way that Will would not

have impacted the firm himself.

Other than calling a halt to any expansion

or anything like that.

She has not...

It has not impacted her relationship with

the client.

So for David Lee to start implanting this

thought into Diane's head that she is

letting things go is just so evil,

in my opinion.

He knows exactly what he's doing.

He knows exactly what he's doing.

so going to be like oh this is

the last time i do anything nice for

anyone it's like okay david get that out

of here like yeah no clinda finds another

review on amazon or somewhere somewhere

public that does have the signature that

she was looking for on it and it

was attached or it was signed by a

jeffrey barba

So this is all Finn needs.

He's like, okay, cool.

I'm going to go arrest this guy.

Knocks on the door.

He's dead.

Jeffrey Barber is dead.

Asphyxiated by a bag.

Dead.

Not like he killed himself dead.

That was quite interesting.

I was like, oh, cool.

But it always...

freaks me out a little bit when I

see, especially on TV, obviously,

when DAs go to arrest people.

I was like, I always forget,

as a part of the DA thing,

that they have legal capability to arrest

people.

I was like,

we almost never see them in that capacity.

So seeing Finn in that capacity,

I was like, oh,

that's interesting and different.

it like it switched well it switched to

like nypd blue or law and order at

that point like one of those homicides

like on the street um so kalinda arrives

at the scene crime scene i do love

how like finn is just standing there

drinking his coffee he's very like

nonchalant about this kalinda why why do

people let you come to crime scenes it's

just like i don't know cops like me

Because I'm Kalinda, duh.

I'm Kalinda.

She is looking around the room.

She does notice the pot label from

Corsica.

So she's like, oh.

And she goes back to Lockhart Gardner and

tells Robbie, like, hey,

they're not going to honor this deal that

you have now that Jeffrey Barba is dead.

You need to give us something.

You need to give us something to either

help the police or you're going to go

to jail.

And then Robbie's like,

okay well uh i set up a cloud

for her computer yeah okay because either

either corsica is setting you up or or

you actually do run so crude like she

just comes like that's what the cops think

right now so you need to give us

something to point the finger at someone

else like corsica he's like i do have

access to all of course good stuff via

the cloud so let's just try that yeah

So Finn tells Corsica that Barba is dead.

And she's like, it was Robbie.

It wasn't me.

Finn is like, well,

how come these pot labels were at the

scene?

And also there were photos of Barba in

your cloud account.

Of him being dead.

Dead Barba.

We're in your cloud.

Yeah, she's like, it was Robbie,

it was Robbie.

Finn goes back over to Lockhart Gardner,

tells Robbie that Corsica thing is all

him.

And it's really easy to say that he

had access to her cloud account because he

set it up.

So he could have totally planted these

photos

um there is diane's like okay well like

what are we doing here like what are

you gonna arrest him or not and finn

says i'm not gonna arrest him but i

will need his help to testify against

corsica and in my mind i'm like why

there's really not a lot of evidence on

the corsica side in my mind there's like

enough ways to prove that robbie was more

involved than he was

So I don't know if this is a

privilege thing happening because of

Lyle's status in the legal world or

whatever,

but I thought it was kind of lazy.

I mean, well, the evidence is there,

right?

The evidence,

the pictures of dead Barba in her cloud.

Okay.

are very are very telling because i mean

listen no one else would have those

pictures right and yeah but like you can't

make the argument that course because

lawyers are gonna be like and just two

days ago robbie offered to create a cloud

for corsica and you know like i just

don't think there's enough to really like

damn on i was surprised by finn in

this because i would have said well i'm

gonna arrest him too and then you two

can battle it out for like the truth

in this way

Diane calls at this point she's like she's

like okay she calls Diane and Lewis

Canning into or David and Lewis Canning

into her office and is like you need

to stop courting my clients they're like

wait what well us like we're not doing

that we're not doing that and Kalinda's

mentions like yeah you two have met

outside of work eight on eight separate

occasions and

like we like each other it's like you

don't like anyone like i'm not even i'm

not taking this at all and um louise

calls diane alicia in this whole thing

which i thought was weird i'm just like

okay i don't know what you're trying to

do there like

It was weird.

And the excuse they come up with here

is that they are estate planning.

And Diane's like,

what are you two getting married?

And Lewis Canning says, no, I'm dying.

And I have twelve months to live.

And that's the reason why I came here

is I wanted a home.

I wanted to make amends.

do me a kindness.

I don't want pity.

And then he leaves.

And David Lee is like, yeah,

that's what I, like, I, first of all,

I picked up all your slack, Diane,

like in his mind, he's like,

I picked up a slack and,

and I'm helping Lewis Canning,

a dying man with his estate planning.

I am a saint over here, helping people,

helping people plan their wills,

helping you pick up slack.

Diane, look at, look at me, David Lee,

the angel now, come on.

And he walks up to Alicia before he

leaves Diane's office,

or walks up to Kalinda before he leaves

Diane's office and gives her the...

Mean mugs her.

I was like,

what the hell are you doing?

David, you don't want none of this smoke,

David.

I don't know what you think you're doing

here,

but you don't want that smoke from

Kalinda, okay?

She may or may not have killed her

ex-husband in your office.

Yeah, we still don't know.

We still don't know.

That may or may not have happened.

So you need to watch who you mean

mugging, David.

she walks up to Diane and says,

do you believe them?

And Diane says, I did until he said,

I don't want your pity because the man

walks around wanting pity all the time.

Yeah.

I, I, I loved in a little,

like as Diane is like reading the riot

act to, to canning and David Lee,

she's like, I,

She calls them out like,

you are isolating me and you're

gaslighting.

I was like, ooh,

gaslighting in twenty fourteen.

That's like the first person to use the

term gaslighting on television.

I don't know.

It's like you're gaslighting me and it's

like it's exactly what they're doing with

the whole day.

Being like, Diane, you're slipping.

You know,

you're you're you're you're missing focus.

You know, you're not calling people.

You can't be reached.

That is gaslighting.

That's making someone believe.

So that is probably not actually happening

and isolating by not, you know,

cluing her in on things that she needs

to be clued in on and quote unquote,

taking care of them themselves.

And if anyone wanted to draw connections

like I do,

those are tactics used by abusers to take

power in certain situations.

Or if anyone wanted to apply that to,

say,

the political structure of America at this

moment,

they might be able to find some

similarities between...

There you go.

And guess what?

David is being magnanimous by taking care

of all of Diane's stuff and people are

calling him.

I'm sure he has quite a paper trail

showing that he is actually the one that

did these things.

Just waiting for the moment where they can

get Diane out like, see,

I did all these things that Diane missed.

I didn't take credit at the time,

but here is obviously all the receipts of

things that I actually did that Diane

didn't do.

And Diane didn't do them because you did

not tell her they need to be done.

Exactly.

Not the fact that she was missing things,

but the fact that, you know,

you were trying to, you know,

mislead her and mislead people into

thinking that Diane was not working on

that message.

And poor Pauline probably thought that she

was, like, she was doing, like, I just,

she's also used in this situation.

Like, she consented to doing it.

But at the same time, she,

I don't know.

no but if someone comes to me and

tells me to work around my boss and

if i'm loyal to that boss i'm like

oh no no no i'm like i'm gonna

do this for you i'm also gonna tell

my boss no i'm yeah and i'm gonna

like keep my own file of like like

for myself like i'm gonna keep myself i'm

gonna cover my own you know what i'm

saying

So, okay.

So we've got Kolinda going out to kind

of figure out if Lewis Canning is dying

or not at this point.

Later in the episode,

Kolinda calls Diane in, and Diane's like,

anything, Lewis?

And he's like, no.

However...

If there was something that could get you

out of this case,

would you want me to tell you?

And she's like, yes.

Kalinda did find out that there was a

request on Corsica's cloud account that

was the request for Jeffrey Barber's

murder.

And in it, it was coded, obviously.

So in it, the word purchase appeared.

was written as perches as in the fish

and alicia or i don't know why i

keep doing this i think i really want

alicia and kalinda to be together um

kalinda says you know that's not a typo

like they're not spelled anywhere

similarly or any of these letters are

close to each other on the keyboard this

is a voice recognition error

And so this is proving that Robbie was

involved in some way.

Because the same error is found in

Robbie's Amazon reviews.

So that's like more incriminating evidence

to say that this was more than likely

Robbie was the one that hired Corsica or

he planted that email into Corsica's

account.

Yes.

So that was like, okay,

Robbie actually might have done this and

is responsible for Barbara's death.

Yeah.

And so Diane goes and tells Finn, hey,

I got to remove myself from this case.

And he's like, can you tell me why?

And she's like, nope, not really.

And yeah, go ahead.

I just think this was interesting

because...

guess this is like for them indisputable

proof that robbie did this yes but i

feel like we've had so many other

instances in the past like mostly dealing

with like uh colin sweeney or it's like

okay you probably definitely did this but

i don't think they've ever had like

indisputable proof

that he did this that they cannot ignore.

Exactly.

I guess this was where you draw the

line to be like, no,

this for us is indisputable.

I think they could have talked the way

around this to be like, well, listen,

Robbie's not the only person who's ever

used voice recognition software.

It could have been him and it could

have not been him.

yes but I think I think like well

I don't know I guess the same argument

could be made on about Colin Sweeney

Robbie was not very like forthcoming or

confidence building or anything like that

I think Rob Colin Sweeney can also be

not very forthcoming but he does so with

more confidence yes I just think it's

interesting to see them draw the line here

yeah where I feel like in other instances

we've seen them kind of convince

themselves that

Well,

I also think like Diane's situation right

now is that she's got two people who

are gunning for her.

So anything that she does that might be,

that might put the firm in danger is

I think even heightened or more

highlighted in her way.

Like she doesn't necessarily have rope to

swing from when it comes to taking risks

right now, because she's got,

she's like fighting this internal war.

So she, she, and I am,

what I'm most surprised from her though,

is that this is a long-term client and

Lyle Pollard,

And she decides, yes, exactly.

And decides to drop the case in this

case.

And this is alarming so much that we'll

call or we'll.

Oh, no, dude.

Do not call Will.

I'm sorry.

I take back.

They're not the same.

They're not the same.

Don't do that.

You are not my daddy.

You are not my dad, Finn.

No.

You are not Will.

I know you both have four letters in

your name, the second one being I,

and the third and fourth one being

repeating letters.

I know that.

And I think that's a tactic from the

show to make us turn Finn into Will.

I see what they're doing,

but we're not going to have that here,

Marissa.

We're not going to do that.

We're not doing it.

Okay, okay, okay.

So Finn calls Alicia, basically saying,

like, Diana's doing this.

Is this, like, normal behavior for her?

And she says, no,

she would not suborn perjury.

Like, she would not, like,

stand by while the perjury was happening.

There is a little... I put this here...

But it relates to something we'll talk

about later in the episode.

But they talk about the fact that Finn

was doing an interview.

And there's a line where Finn says,

Eli wants to turn me into a hero.

He already turned you into a saint.

Which I thought was interesting.

Diane tells Lyle she's going to withdraw.

Lyle sees this as kind of like betrayal.

But at the end of everything,

Kalinda comes back in and says,

Lewis is dying,

and he is trying to screw you over.

Well, I mean, because Diane,

it's like a buddy comedy, right?

Diane says, is Lewis dying,

or is he trying to screw me?

And Glenn's like, well, he is dying,

but he's also trying to screw you over.

So that's where we leave it,

for that storyline.

So I'm just like, okay,

what does that mean?

I guess we'll see in upcoming episodes,

but

I like that Diane is on her own.

I like that it's forcing Diane's character

to kind of be seen more without having

to confer with Will or having Alicia by

her side.

She's navigating this on her own.

I mean, listen,

Colinda might be a better partner to have

than either of those people.

Well, for sure, for sure, for sure.

Also during this episode,

Alicia gets called for jury duty.

And apparently so does the city of Chicago

because it's pretty crowded in that

courtroom.

And Alicia's waiting.

She's waiting.

She's waiting.

She meets a man.

a Mayan named Daniel.

And he looks familiar to me from a

lot of things, actually.

Yeah, this is Nestor Carbonell.

He's been an actor for a long time.

first big credit for me suddenly susan

starring brook shields uh nineties sitcom

you know uh i think he he plays

a huge part in the end game of

lost uh if you have never seen lost

i'm not gonna explain to you uh if

you have you know if you have you

know what we're talking about um also

bates motel something i did not watch he

was apparently a big part of that and

more recently he's in the morning show

which also not not for me but i

know you marissa are a fan of that

show

Yeah,

he is the Tom Skilling on that show,

The Weatherman.

Okay, so I mean, a vet of TV.

Yeah,

and always the delight when he shows up

on my screen.

I'm like, oh, look, it's you.

It's you, Nestor.

And he is here in all of his...

Nesterness, playing a man named Daniel.

And there's vibes, okay?

There's vibes.

Apparently,

Daniel and Alicia are the only two

upstanding citizens in this courtroom

because Alicia and Daniel are both in the

courtroom, far away from each other,

both kind of chilling.

An older woman comes into the room,

and Alicia's like, anybody...

Anybody give up their seat for this older

woman?

Like, what's up?

What's going on?

And Daniel's the first to get up.

He's like, hey,

I will only to get up like, OK,

I'll stand.

You take my seat.

OK, great, great, great.

Pregnant woman comes in.

Alicia again is like,

All right.

Well,

other man is going to give up their

seat around here.

And she's like, oh, no one.

All right, fine.

I guess I will get up and give

up my seat to this pregnant woman.

And I love the pregnant woman sits down

without really acknowledging Alicia.

Alicia gives her kind of a side eye

of like,

you're not even going to say thank you?

Okay, whatever.

Cool.

And so Daniel and Alicia are the only

two people standing up in this jury room

because they're the only two people that

gave up their seats.

well logistically Alicia was sitting like

two people in and those people didn't

scoot over for the pregnant lady either

and I was like what but yes this

is the thing that gets them to stand

next to each other and talk to each

other so they Daniel is like you look

familiar and Alicia's like

Do I?

Got one of those faces.

And they talk about how to get out

of jury duty.

And of course, anytime,

I don't know about you,

but anytime I think about getting out of

jury duty,

I think about how Liz Lemon dressed up

as Princess Leia on Dirty Rock saying that

she was going to convention.

That's not necessarily the best way.

Alicia suggests that you say you're a

lawyer.

And Daniel's like, should I lie?

Is that something I do?

Turns out Dan...

uh designs batteries so he's not or he

says he designs batteries at least yeah i

mean she goes she goes yeah you can

tell him you're a lawyer he's like ew

gross lawyers he's like bad experience he

does say that his ex was a lawyer

yes i was like do we know them

that's what I was wondering but spoiler

alert this will be the one and only

time we see Daniel in the series so

I was like oh okay I thought maybe

we would this would be some kind of

ongoing thing we would figure out who

Daniel's ex is is it Patty Nyholm is

it Elizabeth Tassioni is it what if it's

what's her face Meryl Streep's daughter

Oh, we haven't seen her.

We didn't see her this season, did we?

Shoot.

What's her name?

Nancy.

Nancy Crozier.

Crozier.

Yeah.

Nancy Crozier.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, so I was like, oh,

this is open up a whole thing.

I was like, no,

this is the only time she's going to

be on the show.

So we're not going to do that.

Okay, cool, cool, cool.

Fine, fine, fine.

uh yeah so when asked like what do

you do is like they're doing the what

do they call this yes and he says

he makes batteries there's no objections

to dan being on any jury he tries

he tries he's like listen i've got friends

that are lawyers so i don't know i

don't know if i can be impartial like

okay yeah whatever you're on the jury yeah

you're there it's

The next person called is Alicia.

They're like, oh, Mrs. Flory.

Oh, First Lady of Illinois.

Oh, you can be excused.

It's like, also a lawyer.

Yeah, bye.

Everybody knew this was going to happen

because Alicia's like, I am Alicia.

I can't be...

asked to do my I can't be asked

to do my civic duty even though I

am a wife of a governor but whatever

cool okay yes but also can we talk

about the fact like when she leaves

I don't know.

I think the jury box has two exits,

one on one side and one on the

other.

I could be wrong,

but she for sure made sure she walked

right in front of Dan with her little

shimmy-shammy.

Like what you see, Daniel?

Excuse me, excuse me, excuse me.

I'm going to put my butt in your

face.

Excuse me, excuse me.

But now I have never had the,

I don't know if I would call it

a fortune or misfortune to be on a

jury.

I know.

No,

I really want to be on a jury.

I think it'd be kind of fun.

But knowing my luck,

I would get on like the worst,

most boring case ever.

I'd be like, oh, this is boring.

I care for what you wish for.

Like that's like my lot in life to

be like,

I really want to do this thing.

And then I do it.

I'm like, oh, this is not.

at all what i thought was going to

be except for podcasting podcasting i was

like i want to podcast and this has

been it's been good it's been fun uh

but everything else in my life like i

want to do that thing i do i

think it's like oh this is not this

is not the move this is not what

i wish i would have done so i

feel like jury would definitely do that

because i like i'm nosy i'm messy i

want to know what's going on i want

to i want to hear all the details

of the case and make some judgments and

decisions but then my luck would be like

the most like boring case ever

Yeah, no,

I love there's an episode of Schitt's

Creek where someone really,

really tries to get on a jury.

And I'm like, yes,

that would be my play.

But yes, Alicia shimmies on by.

Excuse me.

Excuse me.

Excuse me.

Please don't mind my butt.

Excuse me.

Excuse me.

And she calls Carrie and she's like, okay,

I'm out of jury duty.

I'm coming in.

And I just need to,

before we talk about what Carrie says,

I need to talk about the appearance of

Carrie.

It's like Carrie went to some sort of

New York broker's sort of place.

clothing convention i don't know like this

was i'm like who are you i don't

know who you are he's got he's got

a bluetooth earbud in which we've never

seen it's very david lee very david lee

and then he's wearing like a pink shirt

with white stripes on it which again i'm

not against the pink it just doesn't fit

carrie like it just did not look like

carrie i was about to be like sell

sell sell buy buy buy or something and

so yeah it was very odd it it

felt like this was like plucked out from

somewhere else and and just dropped in

here because let's not forget the last

time we saw Karen Alicia things were not

great like no you know Carrie had just

found out that Lisa was trying to do

a merger with LG behind his back and

Carrie's taking government uh contracts

behind Alicia's back

Which is why I thought, like,

if we had seen more of it in

this episode,

because what Carrie's play here is like,

don't come in, Alicia, don't worry,

I got it, I got it.

And he's moving and he's shaking things.

So, like, I wonder if he is, like,

strategically doing something behind the

scenes.

We don't see any of that in this

episode,

but I don't know why that would require

him to act and look like this.

However, like,

it was just very distracting.

the vibe was so off the vibe was

so weird because he's like alicia you know

you haven't had a day off in what

five years like here am i like it's

my gift to you and alicia goes cariagos

you're a good man it's like y'all were

just fussing yeah i don't know where this

came from i guess this was just like

this was a way for Alicia to be

off for the day.

But I was like, this feels weird.

It's not really aggressive from Carrie to

want her out of the office.

So,

and I was surprised there wasn't an

element of that for Alicia to be

suspicious of like why Carrie wants her

out of the office so

Or at least an overhearing little

breadcrumb for us as an audience to pick

up.

Hearing him say something to someone in

the office without Alicia there or

something like, no, no,

don't tell her that.

Or did you firm up something with Chum

Hum or something like that?

There's nothing here other than,

I don't know,

Carrie watched Wolf of Wall Street over

the weekend and was really into it.

I don't know.

Yeah.

um but he does push very effectively

alicia into taking day off we do get

the scene where alicia can't work the tv

because she's never watching the tv and

then she decides to call zach and i'm

like does that not have school like and

like what is that doing where is that

what is what is happening where because he

spends a good amount of time walking his

mother and how to turn on the television

in this house and they have like

And I love the very primitive version of

Roku.

Yes, it was so great.

I was like,

the UX design of this time.

Yeah, it was just very nondescript,

very plain.

You turn on your whatever you got,

Fire Stick, Roku.

There's ads akimbo all over your Roku and

your Amazon.

This is literally just a screen with

tiles.

That was it.

Yeah, oh.

I was wondering if that was... Yeah,

it may have been on Apple TV.

like the first apple tv yeah because

before they figured out how to advertise

on on those on those like services yeah

very clean situation we got some buffering

happening so it was like a throwback to

like having to that time of like internet

tv which we are now coming to you

live from a time where they are talking

about netflix instituting always on

channel aka

cable television so the circle the circle

has gone all the way through um but

yes alicia tries to watch tv she says

this isn't working she goes back to the

office carrie again very aggressively

greets her at the elevator it is like

no you're not coming in and she's like

i need my scarf and my laptop and

he directs someone to just bring her scarf

and not the laptop

yeah but again it's like what are you

doing in there carrie like he's literally

he's like literally at the elevator like

as if as if it's something he does

not want her to see going on behind

him like hey hey like you know something

right like it's just like this this i

mean i know it's a weekly tv show

and i know i can just like watch

the next one but like it's just weird

it's still just weird

But it doesn't feel like something because

I feel like if it was something he

was doing something nefarious,

we would have gotten those hints.

Yeah.

I just think it's out of character for

where they are in their relationship right

now.

Yeah.

It just felt like a way to like,

we need to get Alicia out of work

somehow.

What does have Carrie be a cool co-owner

and let her not be in the place?

But it was so aggressive.

He's like, what do you want?

What?

Like,

you're not allowed to come to the office.

I'm

I'm doing some stuff.

You're not allowed to come from the

elevator because there's stuff going on.

Are you throwing an orgy back there,

Carrie?

What is happening here?

Order some mushrooms again.

What is happening?

Why can't I come into my office and

just get my stuff?

It's so weird.

He was being so aggressive about it.

It just feels like something's going on.

Yes, yes.

Well, she's like, okay, well,

I'm not going to go back to work.

She gets a call from her mom.

I forget her mom.

I was like, I want Veronica.

I want to call her Abby because of

the West Wing.

She gets a call from Veronica in the

elevator and is like, no, mom, no,

I'm not going to be able to make

lunch.

And then she's like, okay, fine.

I guess I'll go to lunch with you.

And then at the end,

after she hangs up the call, she's like,

wow, I must be really bored.

Yeah.

So they meet up for lunch.

Veronica is genuinely concerned because

this is the first time she's seen Alicia

post Will's death.

It's just like,

I'm so sorry that you're going to have

to go through this.

And she's talking about the fact that she

has also lived through death.

the love of her life dying aka alicia's

father like talking about like how it's

weird that he's still there when he's not

really there but you can still talk to

will he'll answer like sometimes in the

middle of the day and alicia says working

just seems pointless and they're like

actually like having a really great

conversation and then logan

aka veronica's new boyfriend bombs in on

the lunch and alicia's like i can't i'm

out see ya bye like we were like

we were having a moment a moment it

was so good which the moment of alicia

here is so interesting because i mean no

i don't want to say that it doesn't

track i think it does um

Alicia has these moments every now and

then where she's like,

I don't know if I want to be

a lawyer anymore, Mom.

Yeah.

I guess.

I don't feel like it's consistent enough

for me to be like,

Alicia is always really this way.

like no no no no i i think

i think what the root of everything is

revealed later in their conversation like

i think that's what but she uses the

lawyer thing as the framing for like

blowing up her life she's like if i

don't know like she says i don't know

if i want to be a lawyer anymore

or working just seems pointless but what

she's really saying is my life sucks right

now and i can't do it anymore

yeah i see that uh and logan who

again spoiler alert the only time we'll

see this man in this i was wondering

i was like why because i thought we

were setting up like a veronica like in

the future for veronica logan to be a

thing but no it's the only episode of

this of this show this man aka mary

bartlett will be in murray bartlett i saw

his name on the imdb he's like he

looks that name sounds very familiar and i

was like oh

okay yeah he like murray bartlett had like

a moment about two or three years ago

yes so

uh i have three credits to his name

white lotus which i don't watch uh did

you watch white lotus he did the first

he was in the first season of white

lotus he played the concierge he had a

very um he and and steven from survivor

have a lot in common with gastrointestinal

distress yeah okay and apparently he was

nominated for an emmy i don't know if

he won the emmy for this or what

he was nominated for an emmy for this

for this role

oh yeah yeah i don't think he went

for this but i know for last of

us he did yeah he was also in

last that was a very like famous episode

of last of us which is kind of

like a one-off episode where it's kind of

like details a a gay relationship with

this man mary bartlett and uh nick

offerman that's what i call him ron nick

offerman uh a a gay kind of relationship

in the like in the

midst of a zombie apocalypse uh which is

a very like poignant very great episode of

television if you've never watched an

episode of television and you like you

even have to watch the rest of the

last of us just watch that episode and

you'll get it and you'll really love that

episode it's a great episode he was also

in a show called welcome to chippendales

which kind of tells the origin the true

story of the origin of the male uh

dance strip troop the chippendales which

oddly enough i watched and covered for

post-show recaps back in the day you did

i remember this yes i was like i

was like this his name sound familiar i

didn't clock him at all because this is

like very early i guess in in like

he was he's an australian actor so you

like him

he was in soaps and stuff like yeah

i was gonna say he's very like he

was i saw that he was in episode

of guiding light yeah so he was a

big deal like in certain circles but here

this he was very very young very like

new into the business i guess well and

like you don't even see like you see

his profile for like two seconds like like

you don't see him very very much at

all really he could also like if there

was ever a hunter biden biopic he could

play hunter biden

Yeah, there you go.

It's very much a split-second thing.

You blink and you miss it.

But then I was looking up and I

was like, oh, he's actually somebody.

I guess we could mention it.

The fact that he had this blink and

you miss a cameo on The Good Wife.

And then he turned in to be like...

I don't know what he's doing more

recently, but he had quite a glow-up.

I guess that White Lotus really propelled

him into things and

reason is like okay i don't know where

he's at now but um he had he

had several moments most recent oh he was

in that nine perfect strangers the second

season of it as well he played like

a um ventriloquist or like a crew he

was like a creator of a children's show

but then like had a breakdown and was

like but he carried this puppet around

with him this whole time

But yeah,

I'm sure we'll be doing more things in

the future,

but I love it when actors that make

it big show up in these little roles.

It kind of just reminds me of everyone

starts in these small places.

But yes, so Logan bombs the lunch.

Alicia yeets it out of there,

and then she's like,

I don't know what to do.

I don't know where to go.

She just instinctively walks back to court

and gets...

She went there to find Daniel.

She was like,

let me see what this guy Daniel's doing.

That's what I think.

She found Daniel.

I got him ninety minutes for lunch.

You want to go have lunch?

She does.

She goes and has lunch.

It's funny because she doesn't want Daniel

to know she came to look for him.

She's like,

I left my wallet in the courtroom.

I definitely wasn't looking for you.

I know what you're thinking,

but I wasn't doing that.

They have some conversation.

He says,

what's it like being the governor's wife?

Her answer is, it's clarifying.

And they bond over having children.

Dan has one kid.

He is a writer.

Alicia, of course,

has the two lovely children that we love

so much.

And then Alicia like sees like looks at

Dan's hand on the table and like

I gotta go.

And she excuses herself to the bathroom

and has a bit of an anxiety attack

here.

She's like,

just tell him you have to go.

It's okay.

What's going on?

She's having feelings.

Things are happening.

Again,

there's too much going on in this episode

that I don't know what they're trying to

tell me.

She looks at his finger.

I'm like, what's wrong with his finger?

Does his finger look like Will's finger?

What is this?

i would have tracked it much more if

he like turned around and she saw the

back of his neck then i would have

been like oh my god she's feeling

something right what are you trying to

tell me about this man's finger okay and

i and i do you know and alicia

is also a little like paranoid because i

she she sees people like around she thinks

people are looking at her like because i

think she sells his mom like i can't

be seen

Yeah, well, there's a point where like,

they laugh and Dan's like,

Am I being too loud?

Are we too loud?

What's going on?

So she has this awkward moment.

So she walks in, she's late.

She walks back to the table and says,

I have to go.

Let me pay for this gets her credit

card out.

Dan's like,

I thought you lost your wallet.

you know, my other wallet?

Because I carry multiple wallets.

Like, that's a normal thing to do, Daniel.

Stop making me feel weird, Daniel,

because I carry more than one wallet,

you jerk.

Obvi, obvi, obvi.

It's just like, okay, well, I got it.

And Daniel's like, okay, look,

I work a lot,

got a lot going on.

I'm gonna come back here for dinner.

It's a very sleepless in Seattle type of

situation.

I'm gonna be here for dinner at seven

p.m.

I'd love to have a drink with you.

Show up.

Be here at seven.

You're here.

I'll be happy.

If you're not here,

I won't be as happy.

But just come here.

And Alicia's like, I don't...

He gives her a line of like, listen,

listen.

I just, I like you.

You're funny.

Yeah, you're funny.

I have not heard Alicia say a funny

thing in this episode, but okay.

It was the lawyer thing.

It was the lawyer.

Say you're a lawyer.

What are you?

What's your...

Because earlier he was like,

what's your profession?

I'm a lawyer.

okay and he's like you know i'd want

to have a drink with you if you

were a man or a chimpanzee like i'm

like okay sure sure daniel sure i mean

listen coming out of mr carville's mouth

anything can sound like a smoothie so it's

like all right like damn okay cool cool

cool and i mean he's trying to tell

her like listen listen

don't care i don't care if you don't

care i don't care he openly says like

i know you're married like but we're

adults and i'd want to spend time with

you so be here at seven and she's

like i gotta go i gotta go for

real this time and he goes what about

your credit card it's like the most

awkward goodbye she's like oh yeah my

credit card it's like i'll pay you go

but be back at seven

so alicia goes it very much gives a

listen alicia i'm used to this i've been

married women all the time like this this

old hat to me okay i know you're

i know you're new to this not really

but uh i know i know you're not

used to this so uh just trust me

it's okay i feel like he also yeah

i definitely got the like if you show

up you'll be taken care of type of

deal like i mean a little bit of

a playboy vibe right he's like yeah she's

she's all flustered he's like that's a

girl

I'm used to it.

It's okay.

It's okay.

You'll be okay.

You go on ahead.

Get out of here.

I really do wish that he did try

to... I don't know.

touch her hand or something like that yeah

like just to see what her reaction would

be um but she makes her way back

home she's learned how to use the

television however the television has not

gotten any better in this universe it is

the worst television i could ever imagine

i'm sure the writers are having a field

day in the writers room writing this stuff

um she's lying on the couch watching tv

gets a knock on the door veronica shows

up and i love how she was like

Logan wasn't supposed to show up until

later.

I'm so sorry.

I'm here now.

Let's have a conversation.

You just kind of sped past the TV

show that Alicia was watching.

Oh, yeah.

Go ahead.

I wrote down the dialogue.

The dialogue is so funny because it's them

really poking fun at these really

self-indulgent TV shows that say words but

don't really say anything at the same

time.

What'd you got?

He goes,

This is the guy that's on all the

bad TV in the Good Wife universe.

It's all in like a red lighted room.

It's very like HBO After Dark.

He's like, sex is a chimera.

I saw a crack whore eat her own

arm.

I saw a baby drown like a cat.

Sex just keeps us occupied because reality

can't be endured.

even this will end in smoke.

It's like, okay.

You just said a whole bunch there without

really saying anything,

which is like a really great observation

of a lot of these shows that we

look at as like, oh, it's so deep.

Where if you really parse it,

it's just like,

they're not really saying anything.

It doesn't really make any sense,

but okay.

It's funny.

It is funny.

Because then, like,

the TV shows on in the background, well,

Veronica and Alicia are talking.

They're like, we're over this.

They end up talking about how they found

out that Alicia's dad had died and it

was Owen who had called to tell

um veronica about it and alicia has this

like reflection she's like i'm like dad

i'm stuck being the good one he always

talked about work he always talked about

staying late to cleaning up he or staying

late to clean up he said once that

there are people who make mess and there

are those that clean up and she says

things are not as simple as they used

to i'm spinning i can't stop i don't

know what to do

and veronica consoles her as this is

happening but like again starker channing

amazing because you can tell like she's

really feeling it along with with alicia i

think more than alicia at this point i

was like way to show up and show

some acting it was good

Then later we see Alicia outside the

restaurant, assuming around seven p.m.

ish after she got the call from Finn

asking about Diane and she's outside

looking through the window at David and

she says, it's one drink.

Why is that a problem?

And she walks away and she says,

who am I being faithful to?

And I think like this struck a chord.

I don't know.

I did not go back to verify this,

but I think that is something that Will

told her once.

like who are you being faithful to like

why why are you doing this um so

we leave with her never going to dinner

with david and kind of walking across of

course it's raining it's very dramatic the

streets are wet with new rain and she

walks across the street and leaves

I can never escape the fact that this

is a TV show and these things are

supposed to happen on TV shows.

So how are we supposed to know what

the characters are thinking?

It was like,

who sits there and says these things out

loud to themselves?

Why is one drink a problem?

Who am I being fake?

Okay, Jason, I live by myself.

I talk to myself a lot,

like a lot, like a lot.

Most of the time I'm saying,

if you were me, which you are,

where would you put this?

Where would you have put this thing?

Or what was I doing?

Why did I get up?

See, those are like little, like,

I don't know if you are like,

you know, having a self-essential crisis,

you know, talking to yourself out loud.

But I get it's supposed to because,

you know,

how else are we going to know what

the characters are thinking?

We can't hear inside their mind.

But it always just trips me up when

I see those things.

And, you know,

it's like the who am I being faithful

to line?

It's like, is it Peter?

No.

is it's will like am i am i

being like oh for sure it doesn't feel

like i'm cheating on will

I think, well, I think she's also,

I think she doesn't know.

Like she doesn't know who she's being

faithful to.

And I think she's never been faithful to

herself because as someone who has lived

the good life,

the life of always doing the right thing,

the life of always doing what's expected

of you, doing all of these things,

showing up in that way.

uh didn't really give me at least enough

time to know who i am and what

i want but i was being faithful to

this like idea of just show up and

do this thing and life will unfold in

front of you well not so much not

so much and so i think what she's

saying is like like where is this

autopilot faithfulness coming to like what

am am i being faithful to my dad

by cleaning up being the cleaner am i

being faithful

to Will and the idea of this love

that I never said yes to?

Am I being faithful to never saying yes

to what I really want?

There's a lot of ways it could go.

I think you're putting a lot into that.

Is that surprising?

Not at all.

I don't know where you're going with it,

but I took it to mean,

why am I being faithful to a dead

man?

I can't...

oh for sure yes you know he's not

coming back like it's not as if he's

gonna come back and have a relationship we

didn't have we weren't even in a

relationship when he died but it's just

like

thought of her moving on and it's funny

because I don't think this is about Peter

at all.

I really don't.

No, no, no.

We have our arrangement.

It's like even when Will was alive,

they weren't together.

She was with Peter but now since Will

has died,

I think she's almost convinced herself

that she was in a relationship with Will

and everyone around her

treats her as if she was in a

relationship with will because it's like

you know uh veronica is consoling her

about like losing the person she loved

basically i'm like i get it like she

relates to will and owen did the same

thing the episode prior so it's just funny

how like everyone is everyone is convinced

and alicia's convinced herself that she

was in this like relationship with will

which she wasn't and it's it's it's funny

for her to be asking that question of

herself like

Who am I being unfaithful to?

A man that's dead and will never come

back?

And I wasn't in a relationship to begin

with?

I think it's also kind of like,

why is it so hard for me to

jump into something new?

Or to take a chance to be happy.

Why can't I be happy?

Why can't I move on?

I do what I want to do.

I think she really did want to have

dinner.

She got dressed.

She went there.

The whole thing.

Yeah.

She wants to take a leap,

but something is just pulling her and that

something is Will.

It's like pulling her back from it to

be like, I can't.

Maybe she needs to listen to When Beneath

My Wings a couple more times to really

get it out of her system.

The only other things that happened in

this episode was the relationship between

Eli and Finn.

So, Eli, again...

That's a good way to put it,

the relationship.

It is.

I think it really is.

Because I think Eli is a little turned

on by the fact that he has this

opportunity to be a campaign manager

again.

Well,

I think this is definitely more of a

situationship.

Oh, for sure.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, he's not...

Eli is not breaking up with Peter.

There's no equality happening here.

At first,

he feels like this is an obligation.

But I think you're right.

As Eli gets more into the campaign

managing, he's like, oh, yeah.

I'm feeling the juices again.

I'm feeling the old feeling again.

Eli starts off,

he's very worried because Finn is losing.

And he's like,

he can't lose because Peter endorsed him.

So we have to make this work.

So he calls Finn and says,

I set up a TV interview for you.

Come by my office at two.

Finn's like, who is this?

And he's also like,

you set the interviews at six.

He's like, yeah,

but my prep starts at two.

So we see Eli prepping him for this

interview.

And it's like,

why do you want to be state's attorney?

Well,

because Jimmy Castro is not a good man.

Well,

who the frick cares what a good man

is?

You know,

like really just kind of playing the

political analyst part here.

I he's like,

I really care about what you can do

for me as a citizen.

He talks about like writing the wrongs of

the department.

And he was like, yeah, OK,

tell me about being shot.

And Finn says, you know, like,

I was in a courtroom,

guy took out a gun, shot, he's like,

yeah,

but are you the hero of the story?

Like, no,

Will is the hero of the story.

And so Eli kind of coaches Finn through

how to make

thin sound like a hero without not

sounding like a hero and also explaining

to him like people want to hear the

horror of this if people wanted clean cut

kind and a haircut that's what i would

be coaching you on but people don't want

that

They want to hear the horror of the

situation.

I am here to establish you.

And at this point, like, Eli,

I would say is, like, warmed up.

Like, he's like, okay, this is okay.

Then we cut to the interview.

And I got to tell you, like,

Eli is in the control room watching Finn

do this thing.

He's like, yeah, okay, go ahead.

say it say it like he's like yeah

oh my god i i literally wrote in

my notes like eli is creaming his jeans

right now so is he so is he's

just like okay see and i put in

my notes eli is so turned on by

this because finn does a great job

answering the questions he does say that

he was not the hero of the story

he was helping the hero of the story

he was trying to help will and passes

that hurdle very well but then the

interviewer who which was

that lady you've seen her mandy post i

think is her name yeah we've seen her

yes throughout this throughout the series

yes brings up the fact that finn's sister

leah died by suicide and drug addiction

and finn is not flustered by this at

all he says uh well because the

interviewer also brings up the fact that

like the family took a tough love approach

and really didn't help her in her final

days and

And Finn says, well,

anyone accustomed with drug addiction

knows that the family does everything,

including tough love,

because you want to help.

And ultimately,

it wasn't up to us whether she lived

or died.

And at this point, Eli's like,

I need a cigarette at this moment.

oh my god this is a guy this

is a guy because Finn walks out of

that and says I should have told her

to go to hell and Eli's like that's

when you know you're a true politician

it's when you don't do that so I

have a feeling there's like at least a

one way I don't think like I don't

think Finn wants to do this at all

but I know that he's doing it because

he has to do it because of the

situation but Eli is back in his campaign

manager bag and

feeling all the highs um and really is

going to help then kind of get over

that i don't even know if he's officially

even finn's campaign manager he's just

like well no one else is doing this

like yeah pretty much well he calls and

he's like and you talk to your campaign

manager it's like the who the what the

what now

i mean because finn was kind of forced

into this uh you know this was alicia's

hair brain scheme and then peter ran with

it and did some things that you know

that no one approved of which is like

classic peter it's just like okay i guess

i'm doing this question mark okay so we're

doing this

Yeah,

so he's kind of like doing the least

and he has no you have to do

something because now now I'm invested

because Peter has invested himself.

So we have to make sure this is

a success as he's going to begrudgingly

drag Finn into the state's attorney's race

and probably make him win to a job

that he did not actually want.

I don't I honestly don't remember where

this ends up where this goes.

I do know he is going to have

to leave for a nineteen twenties England

at some point.

Yes.

Yes.

And then at some point,

Negan will take over.

If you know, you know.

Yes.

So that's what we got.

We got Diane kind of fighting for her

life at the firm.

Alicia dealing with the fact that she

doesn't really know what to do.

And also, I do want to say, like,

Alicia, give yourself some time.

Like, it's been like, what, two,

three days?

Right.

Well, not two, three days,

but like maybe two, three weeks.

Yeah.

But it hasn't been a lot of time

to kind of process everything that has

happened in this moment.

But she's trying to find her feet again.

And then we've got Eli and Finn teaming

up to take the state's attorney's office.

Good old Feli.

Good old Feli.

So that's where we landed in episode

twenty.

We've only got two episodes left of season

five and then we are entering the

penultimate end game of this series.

The end game.

Jason.

Yeah.

What's going on?

Well, I'll tell you,

there's some fresh mess that I'm talking

about.

The Season Twenty of Married at First

Sight just came out.

It came out as if you're listening to

this on the day it comes out.

It came out yesterday.

So me and Asia Welch are going to

chat it up again about Married at First

Sight Season Twenty over on Rob Has a

Podcast, Only Love at First Sight Feed.

So go check that out.

That's something that floats your boat.

If you're into mess, if you're into drama,

Married at First Sight is back.

We're excited.

It's a whole new era,

Married at First Sight.

A lot of things are changing,

a lot of new stuff.

So we're excited to dive into that with

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with all the people that love to hear

about this type of stuff.

And yeah, we're also on Patreon,

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